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Old June 27th, 2006, 06:10 PM
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The sizeable proportion of the American population are Americans!
And most everyone I meet has several relatives who are Irish.... hence by semi logical deduction, the population of Ireland and America is approximately the same
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Old June 27th, 2006, 06:30 PM
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And most everyone I meet has several relatives who are Irish.... hence by semi logical deduction, the population of Ireland and America is approximately the same
My ancesters came over from Ipswitch in 1630 so I think most of the English is out of me by now. Back to the Ryder Cup, U.S. doesn't stand a chance as long as we have to take on all of Europe. The only way we stand a chance is U.S. vs U.K.
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Old June 27th, 2006, 10:13 PM
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Western Open is for more money and the course will host the US Open in a few years...
The USGA has not announced a future U.S. Open at Cog Hill, and I doubt it would happen.
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Old June 27th, 2006, 10:25 PM
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July 6th sees the K Club, host to the Ryder Cup, holding the European Open....Should Americans be thinking about playing?
Well, Lefty, there can be no doubt that familiarizing themselves with the course would certainly be beneficial to the American Ryder Cuppers.

But there are just too many logistical problems here. Firstly, and most importantly, I'm sure the American guys would much rather be in their home country as it celebrates Independence Day.

Furthermore, the guys would either have to return home and then turn around to go right back for the British Open, or they'd have to make a protracted stay in that region of the world...and that is not very likely.

Personally, if I were an upper-echelon touring American pro, I would definitely go over and check out the K Club by playing in the European Open. Then I'd go play in the Scottish Open at Loch Lomond the week before the British Open. I'd make a mini-vacation of it all. But I'm a single man and could afford to do these things. Most of the American Ryder Cuppers are married and have to consider the needs and wants of other people.
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Old June 27th, 2006, 11:24 PM
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Todays paper......
The Western Open is getting a name change and will rotate from the Chicago suburbs to other Midwestern cities under an agreement. The Tourny will be called the BMW Championship beginning in 2007, when it is moved from July to September. This years Western Open will be played July 6-9 at Cog Hill. Cog Hill will host the tourny in 2007 under its new name. The tourny will be played in St Louis at the Bellerive CC in 2008, return to Chicago in 2009 and every second year thereafter. In 2010 it will be played in Indianapolis @ Crooked Stick CC, and yet-to-be determined in 2012.
It's unfortunate that the event will no longer be called the Western Open...being one of the oldest events on the Tour schedule, it deserves a much loftier status than being downgraded to a corporate name like that. Besides, aren't there a few BMW Championships on the European Tour already?
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Old June 28th, 2006, 02:20 AM
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But there are just too many logistical problems here. Firstly, and most importantly, I'm sure the American guys would much rather be in their home country as it celebrates Independence Day.

Furthermore, the guys would either have to return home and then turn around to go right back for the British Open, or they'd have to make a protracted stay in that region of the world...and that is not very likely.

Most of the American Ryder Cuppers are married and have to consider the needs and wants of other people.
But America expects everyone else to come over for three MAjors scattered around the year and in future all the WGC events. You are quick to defend Americans not travelling even though it would benefit 'Team America' ,but expect everyone else to make the effort to come to you.
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Old June 28th, 2006, 08:11 AM
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It's unfortunate that the event will no longer be called the Western Open...being one of the oldest events on the Tour schedule, it deserves a much loftier status than being downgraded to a corporate name like that. Besides, aren't there a few BMW Championships on the European Tour already?
Its all about MONEY......Buick has a bunch of tourny's in the US.......At this rate we will have "Road Rage" on the golf courses.
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Old June 28th, 2006, 09:50 AM
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The event this week at the K Club is about as important to Americans as last week's Booze Allen was to the rest of the world.
So the fact that the highest ranked player at the Booze Allen was P.Harrington Esq ..................................
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Old June 28th, 2006, 10:59 AM
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He only stayed because of his committment to a sponsor and the fact that someone had pledged money to charity to caddy for him in the pro am. He is teeing off in France tomorrow morning after a flight back on Monday night. He will be cream crackered.
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Old June 28th, 2006, 12:41 PM
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I think the difference is that were the Booz Allen being played on the same course as would be the Ryder cup in a few months time, you would have seen a much more pronounced Euro team presence. It just strikes that the US team are only a team when they really have to be or when they can gloat (i.e. when playing or after winning), when it comes to prep or when they are the losers, they are just a bunch of individuals. That is quite likely the reason the Euros do so well inspite of a seemingly weaker side.
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Old June 28th, 2006, 01:42 PM
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That just indicates the importance of any event being played the week after a US Open. We enjoyed having Paddy play though.
Yes we always enjoy Paddy over here and quite frankly he probably thought he had a good chance of winning if not for the upstart Ben Curtis whom we will probably not see for another three years.
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Old June 28th, 2006, 09:53 PM
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It just strikes that the US team are only a team when they really have to be or when they can gloat (i.e. when playing or after winning), when it comes to prep or when they are the losers, they are just a bunch of individuals. That is quite likely the reason the Euros do so well inspite of a seemingly weaker side.
No doubt about that, Buns. At least to me. I truly believe that most American pros are really luke warm on the Ryder Cup, no matter what they may say in public. I think the idea of team play strikes many of them as a bit odd.
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Old June 28th, 2006, 09:58 PM
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But America expects everyone else to come over for three majors scattered around the year and in future all the WGC events. You are quick to defend Americans not travelling even though it would benefit 'Team America', but expect everyone else to make the effort to come to you.
League has already replied correctly. America does not expect anything. We present...it means something...people come.

And I wasn't defending. Only explaining.
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Old June 29th, 2006, 08:35 AM
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It's ok to "defend" me once in awhile! Not that I need any help against Lefty.
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Old July 1st, 2006, 10:24 PM
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nope! doesn't look like it.
i beg to differ - i'll be cheering him on from the gallery!

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Woods Commits to Play in Cialis Westen Open at Cog Hill

6/28/06 4:59 PM

Top-ranked Tiger Woods returns to competition next week in the Cialis Western Open at Cog Hill Golf & Country Club in Lemont, IL. A two-time winner of the event, he finished second last year to Jum Furyk, rebounding from a 2-over-par 73 in the first round with scores of 66-67-66.

Woods previously won at Cog Hill in 1997, 1999 and 2005. Last year, he was the only past champion to crack the Top 10 and has earned a tournament-record $2,413,906. As a professional, Woods has made eight-straight cuts and nine of 10 overall, missing as an amateur in 1995.
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