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She will win the tournament. 0 0%
Place 2-10 0 0%
Place 11-20 0 0%
Place 21-50 8 19.51%
Make cut, but finish below top 50 17 41.46%
Miss cut, by 1 stroke 2 4.88%
Miss cut, by 2-3 strokes 4 9.76%
Miss cut, by 4-5 strokes 6 14.63%
Miss cut, by 6-9 strokes 3 7.32%
Miss cut, by 10+ strokes 1 2.44%
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Old July 14th, 2006, 08:35 AM
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Agreed, that's one of the biggest reason I am a fan. She's not scared to give it a try, unlike some of her fellow players.
ofcourse she isn't scared to give it a try, its money (and i mean big money) in her hand for just being there.
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Old July 14th, 2006, 09:15 AM
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Indeed it won't be long to wait, to the Lumber. But even I will probably not predict her to make the cut. It is 7,500 yards which is maybe a bit much.

Round 2, I'll go with 67 or better.

I think you are dillusional.
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Old July 14th, 2006, 09:18 AM
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Did you see the replay of Wie backing off her tee shot 3 or 4 times because of the mosquitos? Perhaps that was one of the reasons (in addition to all of the penalty shots, etc.) her group was on the clock most of the day. Her playing partner stated that it was difficult/worrisome playing that slow.

Back to the mosquitos, I have a solution in mind. She needs a Jam Boy.

"For those of you who don't know, a "Jam Boy" is--or was--an actual title at one point in history. In the early 1920s, when the wealthy went golfing, they hired two men. A caddy, and a "Jam Boy." The Jam Boy had one job: keep the mosquitoes away from the golfer. To do this, the Jam Boy would cover himself in jelly to attract the bugs. Sounds like an amazing job."

Leaguegolf - no one would even notice the jelly on one of your hawaiian shirts. And being Wie's Jam-Boy could be a stepping stone to your ultimate dream of being her caddy.......

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Old July 14th, 2006, 10:06 AM
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Jimmigan, good point about her backing off. I think that was the 2nd hole. After backing off all those times, she hit a really dreadful drive, and got double bogey there.
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Old July 14th, 2006, 10:07 AM
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ofcourse she isn't scared to give it a try, its money (and i mean big money) in her hand for just being there.
How much did she get for her John Deere performance?
Nil, unless she makes the cut, and that's hardly likely.
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Old July 14th, 2006, 10:10 AM
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How much did she get for her John Deere performance?
Nil, unless she makes the cut, and that's hardly likely.
No appearance fee?
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Old July 14th, 2006, 10:20 AM
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How much did she get for her John Deere performance?
Nil, unless she makes the cut, and that's hardly likely.
what you think she's out there and getting no cash?. for just teeing up the ball on the first tee, she's most likely getting more money than you or me will ever see in a lifetime.
she aint getting no prize money for her performance ofcourse.
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Old July 14th, 2006, 10:58 AM
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Wie's round yesterday should have been in the 80s. She scrambled well to shoot a 77. Not surprisingly, it was her tee shots that gave her the most trouble. This is the part of her game that is challenged the most on PGA Tour courses.

Wie has now played 11 rounds of golf on the PGA Tour and has two rounds in the 60s and no rounds in the 80s. Below is how she compares to others in their 1st eleven attempts:

# of rounds in the 60s vs. # of rounds in the 80s

Michelle Wie: 2-0
Tiger Woods: 0-1
Dean Wilson: 3-0
Jim Furyk: 1-0
Todd Hamilton: 3-0
Paul Goydos: 2-1
John Huston: 2-0
Jeff Maggert: 1-1
Billy Mayfair: 3-1
Rocco Mediate: 0-0
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Old July 14th, 2006, 11:34 AM
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No appearance fee?
USA network probably slipped her a million under the table. Did you see the coverage she got and their ratings must have been sky high.
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Old July 14th, 2006, 12:19 PM
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Wie's round yesterday should have been in the 80s. She scrambled well to shoot a 77. Not surprisingly, it was her tee shots that gave her the most trouble. This is the part of her game that is challenged the most on PGA Tour courses.

Wie has now played 11 rounds of golf on the PGA Tour and has two rounds in the 60s and no rounds in the 80s. Below is how she compares to others in their 1st eleven attempts:

# of rounds in the 60s vs. # of rounds in the 80s

Michelle Wie: 2-0
Tiger Woods: 0-1
Dean Wilson: 3-0
Jim Furyk: 1-0
Todd Hamilton: 3-0
Paul Goydos: 2-1
John Huston: 2-0
Jeff Maggert: 1-1
Billy Mayfair: 3-1
Rocco Mediate: 0-0
I've never understood these types of comparrisons with regards to golf.

She scrambled well, yes, but she was completely out of her league yesterday. Though a lot has been made of her length, she simply does not have the length to compete out there. Her driving distance over her PGA Tour appearances would put her 197th in driving distance on Tour. That ain't gonna get it done.

She will likely make a cut in a Tour event eventually, but she will never be able to compete on the PGA Tour. I don't see the point in having her out there.
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Old July 14th, 2006, 01:03 PM
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No appearance fee?
There are no appearance fees allowed on the PGA Tour, but the publicity she gets from each try here doesn't hurt her (or Nike's) wallet.
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Old July 14th, 2006, 01:31 PM
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No appearance fee?
The pga does not allow players receive appearance fees for pga tournaments.

It they did, how much would Tiger be worth?
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Old July 14th, 2006, 01:33 PM
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I've never understood these types of comparrisons with regards to golf.
It's quite simple really. It shows that Michelle Wie's best and worse scores through her first eleven PGA Tour rounds are in line with, if not a little better, than other ultimately successful PGA Tour players. Those nine are the only ones I looked up and with the exception of Tiger, I didn't have an inkling of how they had fared.

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She scrambled well, yes, but she was completely out of her league yesterday. Though a lot has been made of her length, she simply does not have the length to compete out there.
She's 16 so I don't think she's maximized her driving distance potential by any means but her accuracy will be more of a determining factor of her ability to succeed on the PGA Tour than her length.

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She will likely make a cut in a Tour event eventually, but she will never be able to compete on the PGA Tour. I don't see the point in having her out there.
She's already competing, look it up. If you mean she won't have any real success on the PGA Tour because she's a female, that's a common opinion.

Indeed she may never have any real success on the PGA Tour, I just don't think it's written in stone as you seem to. And it doesn't matter how many times you state what will or won't happen in the future. You are definitely on the record with that opinion many times over.

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Old July 14th, 2006, 01:39 PM
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I've never understood these types of comparrisons with regards to golf.
They were actually very good comparisons that jimmigan posted. They show that Wie bashers shouldn't be counting their chickens, considering Michelle has performed better in her first appearances, then the best players did in their first appearances.
That doesn't guarantee success, but it does show that people who write her off are very premature indeed.

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She scrambled well, yes, but she was completely out of her league yesterday. Though a lot has been made of her length, she simply does not have the length to compete out there. Her driving distance over her PGA Tour appearances would put her 197th in driving distance on Tour. That ain't gonna get it done.
Where are you getting that info from? 197th.

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She will likely make a cut in a Tour event eventually, but she will never be able to compete on the PGA Tour. I don't see the point in having her out there.
All the players that Jimmigan mentioned were not able to compete in their first attempts, by your standards. She could very well be able to compete down the road.
As regards the point for having her out there, it's because the sponsors know that she is good for ratings and thus good for them.
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Old July 14th, 2006, 01:43 PM
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Wie's round yesterday should have been in the 80s. She scrambled well to shoot a 77. Not surprisingly, it was her tee shots that gave her the most trouble. This is the part of her game that is challenged the most on PGA Tour courses.

Wie has now played 11 rounds of golf on the PGA Tour and has two rounds in the 60s and no rounds in the 80s. Below is how she compares to others in their 1st eleven attempts:

# of rounds in the 60s vs. # of rounds in the 80s

Michelle Wie: 2-0
Tiger Woods: 0-1
Dean Wilson: 3-0
Jim Furyk: 1-0
Todd Hamilton: 3-0
Paul Goydos: 2-1
John Huston: 2-0
Jeff Maggert: 1-1
Billy Mayfair: 3-1
Rocco Mediate: 0-0
Very good stats Jim. I think alot of people are forgetting that a round in the 60s on a pga course is a pretty darn difficult thing to do.
I reckon she'll add to that in the second round as well.
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