Not to beat a dead horse or anything, but I'm confused by posters that try to use a 2nd place finish (a 272 vs. the 1st place finish of 273) to prove that Wie doesn't deserve attention as a young and very remarkable player.
Noooooooooooobody's saying that - she is absolutely remarkable and deserves a ton of attention for being a remarkable young player. It's just that some people seem to want to hand her the keys to the castle, and while she has played well, she can't even be called a champion yet.
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What makes some people think that a 2nd place finish in a high profile tourney is a proof that Wie is flawed?
I can only speak for myself obviously, but I'm in no way saying it's proof she's flawed, but there are people that try to use it as proof that she's the best female player on earth, future PGA Tour star, etc. etc. etc., and it ain't.
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This list could be very long because this tourney was the best of the best for the most part and Wie beat them all, except one.
And, she only trailed that one person by a score that was 1/3 of 1% different.
Again, I just don't see the point in coming up with new ways to make it seem more than a second place finish. Golf isn't about beating everyone but the person in front of you, not about 1/3rd's of this or 1% of that.
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Add this to the long list of exceptional performances by Wie, not to a list of why she is over hyped. Can anyone possibly disagree with that main point???
Do yall only pick out the pts that seem to get your feathers ruffled, numerous times I have praised her performances, 16 or 36, what she is doing is remarkable, but as another poster has pointed out, let her win a tournament before handing her the keys to the castle.
And, she only trailed that one person by a score that was 1/3 of 1% different. Add this to the long list of exceptional performances by Wie, not to a list of why she is over hyped. Can anyone possibly disagree with that main point??
Its still a second place finish no matter how you try to justify it and second place is still the first loser.
All the statistics in the world can not change that, or the fact that she still doesnt have ANY professional trophys on her mantle.
I do congratulate her on her continuance of great performances, but ........
Another fine performance that came up just short. Wie will get there eventually but right now her very short career is eerily similar to what David Duval experienced before he finally broke through and won. Her day will come.
I completely agree with that assessment, maybe Duvall would have been a better comparison than Sergio. (which is what seems to have started this mess)
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Originally Posted by leaguegolf
I know there are those that like to compare Wie to Tiger so here's a question for you............As a professional, has Tiger ever had a 2 stroke lead with 7 holes to play and lost by a stroke? Just askin'!
Was kinda my point in another thread.
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Its good that Michelle Wie could care less about winning. You don't need to win to be the best player in the world, as the rankings award consistancy, not winning.
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I know there are those that like to compare Wie to Tiger so here's a question for you............As a professional, has Tiger ever had a 2 stroke lead with 7 holes to play and lost by a stroke? Just askin'!
Has anyone shot 3 under on the last 7 holes, when Tiger had a 1 shot lead ahead of that player? Just asking'!
Wie will eventually learn that mediocre back 9's in final rounds won't win her many titles.
Close, but actually with 7 holes to play Tiger was already dn by one. He birdied 12, 14, 17 and 18 while May birdied 12, 14, 18 and eventually lost in the playoff.
Bjorn in the 2001 Dubai won after trailing late in the final, due to a double bogey on 18 by Tiger.
Close, but actually with 7 holes to play Tiger was already dn by one. He birdied 12, 14, 17 and 18 while May birdied 12, 14, 18 and eventually lost in the playoff.
Well checked.
So leaguegolf, any examples of Tiger leading by 2 shots with 7 to go, and his opponent shooting 3 under or better.
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Bjorn in the 2001 Dubai won after trailing late in the final, due to a double bogey on 18 by Tiger.
I'm not sure about the ego stroking thing, or how you would know that be be true, but Tiger is #1 in the world because winning IS everything to him.
The best in any profession would disagree with your "winning isn't everything" comment. Anyone that plays competitive sports that is willing to settle for second best is probably always going to be just that......second best.
Leaguegolf,
I think Wildbore was just being sarcastic. It was just his way of having a go at the rankings system.
Wie will eventually learn that mediocre back 9's in final rounds won't win her many titles.
How about -3 on the back 10?
It's hardly mediocre, she just met a player playing some inspired golf. For Webb to birdie 2 par 3's on the way in was pretty good.
Well checked.
So leaguegolf, any examples of Tiger leading by 2 shots with 7 to go, and his opponent shooting 3 under or better.
Again good info.
LOL, im not trying to defend Michelles losses, just trying to be fair. As yall can clearly see I have been the one getting the rash of the retorts for my comments about her.
You folks questioned how many times did Tiger lose after having a lead. I don't really know the answer to that question and I'm not inclined to bother to look, but even if there hasn't been too many times, how about this question. How many times has Tiger won when he hasn't had the lead going into the final round? Apparently, from reading all the comments over the years, it appears not very often if ever. Whether or not he got a lead during that final round and then lost it again, I wouldn't know, but Tiger appears to need to be leading going into the final round and I believe that a couple of those win were in playoffs, so he also didn't always have those great final rounds.
When a player goes into a final round in second place, one shot off the lead, and ends up in second place one shot off the lead and people are talking about the great round the leader has played and yet criticizing the second place player who had the EXACT same score for the day, does it not seem odd and unreasonable. Seems like if a 68 for the winner is great playing, then 68 for the second place player should be considered great playing too? Of course, I guess it depends on who that player is.
Some of these comments are just ridiculous. First off, to mr3856a, she finished 2nd not 3rd, if you were referring to this weeks tournament. She plays in tournaments with only the strongest fields(majors, Evian, etc.) she is recently ALWAYS in the top 5. She's been beaten exclusively by Hall of Famers on top of their games in the past 4 (Karrie twice, Annika & Se Ri). She's done all of this under the most intense pressure and scrutiny any golfer, possibly save Tiger, has ever experienced. Tiger was playing against nobodies in amatuer events until he was 19. Comparisons to him at this point are absurd. Who claimed that she is the best women golfer in the world ? Who claimed that she will take over the PGA ? Geez talk about knocking down straw men. Until she's allowed to compete on a full time basis all of these criticisms are laughable. If she is still winless at 18 after a year on tour, then you'll have some realistic basis for criticism. For now it comes off as rather petulant jealousy , IMO.
Nobody's handing her the keys to the castle or saying she should be in the hall of fame. We're just answering the question that was posed "what's the hype all about".
It's about a 16 year old girl doing what no 16 year old girl has ever come close to doing. Name another 16 year old girl (in all of history) that is in the mix with experienced major winners in nearly every tourney she plays in. Name another 16 year old that solidly beats 98% of the field in almost every tourney she enters.
It's never happened before. That's what the hype is about.
July 29th, 2006, 06:16 PM
Just askin'! 
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