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Old July 26th, 2006, 09:32 PM
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Simulated 2006 FedExCup Points

Through the British Open and B.C. Open
The standings are a representation of what this season would look like if the point system was in place for the events that have been contested in the 2006 season.

Rank ... Player .......... Points
1 Tiger Woods -------- 18,512.4
2 Phil Mickelson ------- 17,809.2
3 Jim Furyk ----------- 17,124.3
4 Geoff Ogilvy -------- 16,196.3
5 Vijay Singh --------- 14,569.9
6 Trevor Immelman --- 13,479.3
7 Stuart Appleby ----- 12,657.3
8 Adam Scott -------- 11,731.4
9 Rory Sabbatini ------ 11,417.8
10 David Toms ------- 11,192.7
11 Chad Campbell ---- 11,072.0
12 Carl Pettersson ----10,284.5
13 Luke Donald ------- 9,850.8
14 Rod Pampling ------ 9,103.6
15 Brett Wetterich ----8,860.4
16 Zach Johnson ----- 8,709.2
17 Arron Oberholser ---8,610.0
18 Jose Maria Olazaba -8,400.7
19 J.J. Henry --------- 8,273.3
20 Retief Goosen ----- 8,253.5

For more ... http://www.pgatour.com/fedexcup/weekly
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Old July 26th, 2006, 09:53 PM
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Regular Season Points

Each Official-Money PGA TOUR event played during the FedExCup Regular Season will award 25,000 FedExCup Points. Additional points will be allotted to certain events:

The Masters, THE PLAYERS, U.S. Open, British Open and PGA Championship will award 27,500 FedExCup points.
World Golf Championships events during the FedExCup Regular Season will award 26,250 FedExCup points.




* Alternate events played during the FedExCup Regular Season will award 12,500 FedExCup points. Alternate events are those that are played the same week as the World Golf Championships and British Open.
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Old July 27th, 2006, 02:08 AM
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So basically, if Vijay Singh were to play and win this week's meaningless PGA Tour event, he'd pass Ogilvy, Mickelson and Woods? That's all I need to know about the stupidity of this new system. I hope they scrap it before it even starts.
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Old July 27th, 2006, 03:02 AM
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So basically, if Vijay Singh were to play and win this week's meaningless PGA Tour event, he'd pass Ogilvy, Mickelson and Woods? That's all I need to know about the stupidity of this new system. I hope they scrap it before it even starts.
Pretty dumb, indeed. But I will say that it's impressive Tiger's even leading it when he hasn't played anywhere near as often as the other guys (6 less than Phil and Ogilvy, 7 less than Furyk and Vijay).
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Old July 27th, 2006, 11:51 AM
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It appears this cup rewards those who play more tourneys.
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Old July 28th, 2006, 12:07 AM
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It appears this cup rewards those who play more tourneys.
At least in the regular season...from what I've read, at the beginning of the "playoff," the leader in the early events will only have a slim lead in the standings. I'm wondering how well the Tour will enjoy it when their BMW Championship rolls around some year and, say, John Rollins and Duffy Waldorf are duking it out for the title? (btw, no offense to those two gents...just an example)
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Old July 28th, 2006, 05:07 PM
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So basically, if Vijay Singh were to play and win this week's meaningless PGA Tour event, he'd pass Ogilvy, Mickelson and Woods? That's all I need to know about the stupidity of this new system. I hope they scrap it before it even starts.
It's not necessarily stupid, Tiger has played about 8 tournaments yet he leads in points. That's based on his three wins, including a major and he also has three other top 10 finishes. The system is designed to award a lot of points for guys the finish well. Vijay on the other hand has played about twice the number or tournaments that Tiger has and he's got a ten of top ten finishes, including one win. The system also awards guys who play a lot and play well.

The objective of the points systems is to do two things; reward guys for playing well and those that play well and frequently. Vijays standing on the points race would be based on the fact he has so many top ten finishes. I don't see what the problem is for rewarding a guy that plays well and plays often.
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Old July 28th, 2006, 05:09 PM
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It appears this cup rewards those who play more tourneys.
Well that's exactly what the PGA Tour wants to do. So whats the problem with that? But you also have to play well to rack up points. Can imagine a scenario in NASCAR where the points leader for the entire season only competed in half the races?
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Old July 28th, 2006, 05:11 PM
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It's not necessarily stupid, Tiger has played about 8 tournaments yet he leads in points. That's based on his three wins, including a major and he also has three other top 10 finishes. The system is designed to award a lot of points for guys the finish well. Vijay on the other hand has played about twice the number or tournaments that Tiger has and he's got a ten of top ten finishes, including one win. The system also awards guys who play a lot and play well.

The objective of the points systems is to do two things; reward guys for playing well and those that play well and frequently. Vijays standing on the points race would be based on the fact he has so many top ten finishes. I don't see what the problem is for rewarding a guy that plays well and plays often.
When he's doing it in lesser quality events, that is a problem. It's a cheap way to both rocket your way up the money list as well as have a high spot on this hypothetical FedEx Cup list.
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Old July 28th, 2006, 05:19 PM
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When he's doing it in lesser quality events, that is a problem. It's a cheap way to both rocket your way up the money list as well as have a high spot on this hypothetical FedEx Cup list.

If a guy can win the cup without winning then there is problem with the points system. If a guy can win because he only has one or two wins but a lot of top ten finishes I'm O.K. with that. Again the whole ideal of the Fedex Cup is to encourage player to play well and play often. However, I do think you concerns regarding strength of field in a given tournament are valid. We'll just have to see how this actually plays out over the course of a season.
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Old July 28th, 2006, 05:25 PM
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So basically, if Vijay Singh were to play and win this week's meaningless PGA Tour event, he'd pass Ogilvy, Mickelson and Woods? That's all I need to know about the stupidity of this new system. I hope they scrap it before it even starts.
If Vijay plays and wins he'll also be #2 on the money list of close too it. I don't know about you but I don't know if I'd call pocketing $700,000 to $800,000 meaningless. And the other player that you mentioned had the same opportunity to play as Vijay did so, what's you beef?
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Old July 30th, 2006, 02:59 AM
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It will work out. If anything to well. Points go to paying position. They will all go for the points and money. What will happen is that 75-95 players will earn all the money in the main events and the top 35 to 55 spots in the three additional events. Net results: the Fall Series will have maybe 30 players looking to get their card. The top 95 will not need to play for their card and will probably not play in the Fall Series. This will cause these events to slowly fade away. No player out side the top 150 will make any significant money and 250 players will need to find other Tours.
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Well that's exactly what the PGA Tour wants to do. So whats the problem with that?
I didn't realize that I said there was problem with it? All I said was this system rewards those who play more tourneys.
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Old July 30th, 2006, 12:55 PM
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No it is not a problem. But you are the first poster I have seen that is smart enough to see changes coming. I commend you. I had too reply. The FedExCup points system will work to good. The players, their sponsors, the media and the fans will not see this until too late in 25007. No disrespect too any of them. The NASCAR drivers, car owners and fans did not see this until after the first year and did not jump on board until the second year. Because the players do not see this I flatly predict neither Tiger or Phil will win the first year.
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Old July 31st, 2006, 12:16 AM
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No it is not a problem. But you are the first poster I have seen that is smart enough to see changes coming. I commend you. I had too reply. The FedExCup points system will work to good. The players, their sponsors, the media and the fans will not see this until too late in 25007. No disrespect too any of them. The NASCAR drivers, car owners and fans did not see this until after the first year and did not jump on board until the second year. Because the players do not see this I flatly predict neither Tiger or Phil will win the first year.
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Well, I guess I'll just have to wait until I'm 23,025 years old before I catch the brilliance of their scheme.

How exactly can a system work "too good?" I see nothing in the plan that will get me more interested in watching those late events, but the Tour Championship is a joke now, and that's only one event. Imagine 3 events like that in a row to determine a winner who could have finished well back on the money list during the year only to get hot for three events? I just don't see it turning out any better than the current system.
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