Thats what im saying the competition is too good.........i mean some may call Davis Love a chump or Couples a chump(some)...but these 2 guys are talented as heck and they win 1 major??? I mean how good do you have to be to get to 18 if you have Couples talent? Its just daggone hard to do and Love and Couples are studs in golf. Thats why what Tiger has done is hard to believe in this day and age. He may still not do it and hes about 2 years ahead of the pace...maybe one year but you know what i mean hes been ahead of Jack's pace and everything and i mean everything that could go his way has. I just dont see it happening with so many talents surely to come. No one guy will seperate from the pack.
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No I don't believe the statement. I think it is rather naive.
Never is SUCH a long time. In their day folks thought they would never see another golfer as good as Jones or Hagen. Some of them were tight. They died before Hogan or Nicklaus came along. Same as many thought they'd never see someone as dominant and talented as Jack - some of them were right as well, never living to see Tiger. Since (as far as I know) none of us really know the future, or what circumstances will prevail in future PGA seasons, saying a record will NEVER be broken is absurd. Maybe it won't in our lifetime, maybe 10 years from now someone will come along and make people say "Wow, this guys unbeatable!"
Ten years from now, if Tiger stays healthy, he'll have the record and probably still have a few wins left in him. VJ and Monty will be terrorizing the Senior Tour. Phil, Ernie, Goosen, DiMarco, Furyk, Harrington, Olazabel, Clarke, Appleby, etc. will be way past their primes, maybe even retired from PGA waiting for Senior status. Ogilvy, Luke Donald, Garcia, several other "young guns" will be 40+, or real close. We don't know what the next generation of golfers is going to be like. We could have another slack period with no real standouts like we had in the 1980s. Things go in cycles, and records are made to be broken. To believe otherwise is pretty short-sighted.
I say tiger has the best chance, and I think he is going to get it.
But saying Jack was great because he had a bunch of second places as well does not hold water for me anyhow. ( now I know he is one of the all time greats if not the best) But if he was in second place so many times that does not show his greatness, greatness wins. Coming up second is not looked highly upon unless your ......
He won 18 times...he IS a closer...and on top of that he took second numerous times...there is no arguement...
That is the most frightening concept... I wouldnt argue if you told me VJ would still be in the top 5 in the world once he gets there... it could be a massacre!
I say tiger has the best chance, and I think he is going to get it.
But saying Jack was great because he had a bunch of second places as well does not hold water for me anyhow. ( now I know he is one of the all time greats if not the best) But if he was in second place so many times that does not show his greatness, greatness wins. Coming up second is not looked highly upon unless your ......
I didn't say Jack was great because of the runner up finishes, what I said was that what is impressive apart for the 18 Major wins were the 19 odd runner up.
I am not sure whether Tiger will overcome Jack's records although I have a feeling that if he continues like he has been playing recently he will.
In a recent article a retired USGA official admited of having told Jack at his prime that the equipment he was using at the time were inferior and were costing him shots. Jack thanked but chose to remain loyal to his sponsor.
I wonder how many more major titles that cost him?
If Tiger Woods does not break Jack Nicklaus' record of 18 majors it will never be broken. I honestly believe this. Im even amazed Tiger in this day and age has as many as he does. You have people like LoveIII and Couples a couple of super talents with one major. You have an out of this world talent like Phil who will probably end up with 7. You had Gary Player who ends up with half of 18. Watson 8. The great Arnie at 7. With what Tiger has already done in his illustrious short career he still has a long way to go. I believe in this statement without a doubt.
It's just amazing, the whole Tiger story, i never thought 8 or 9 years ago that today i would be supporting and watching this guy's career in the way that i do. I believe Tiger wiil easily beat the number Jack's major title wins. Will Tiger's record ever be beaten? maybe, but i dont think so in my lifetime. For me Tiger is not only the best golfer ever but the best sportsman ever. oh no what have started now!
...In a recent article a retired USGA official admited of having told Jack at his prime that the equipment he was using at the time were inferior and were costing him shots. Jack thanked but chose to remain loyal to his sponsor.
I wonder how many more major titles that cost him?
Probably as many as Tiger's "inferior equipment" - I seem to recall that being said by someone just before Tiger put the whoopin' on him!
I don't think Tiger will break Jacks' record of 18 professional majors.
There is absolutely ZERO question that not only will Nicklaus's record be broken by Tiger, it will be shattered. Tiger has the mental capacity and a work-out ethic that doesn't compare to Nicklaus's day and age. Saying that Tiger won't reach 18 majors to tie Nicklaus is foolish. I wouldn't be surprised is he reaches 25. By the way, he knows this.
Also, Nicklaus' 20 seconds is remarkable. Golf is not tennis where there is 1 winner and 1 loser.
Has there ever been a great athlete, in any sport, that wasn't surpassed over the course (pun intended) of time? Tiger is no different. For all his greatness, there will be a time when he's considered a future player's Jack.
Difference being, that player won't catch Tiger. Sure, he's 8 away, but he'll most likely break the record, barring anything untoward happening to him. And I would put my money right now on the fact that should Jack become number 2 on the all-time major championships list, nobody will catch him.
Tiger is a once-in-a-lifetime athlete, as in the lifetime of planet earth. He's not God, but he's as close as a golfer will ever come.
I totally agree...its easy to say records are always broken..its easy to say someone else will come along...its hard to say i believe no golfer if Tiger breaks it will ever match or break Tigers record. No way no how in my opinon. Sure ill grant you theres always a chance id be an idiot to not at least grant that..but ill give you my stat on that .001%. The game has gotten way too many competitiors and way too many tours with great guys. For one guy to stand out will be very difficult. I mean Tiger stands out and dominates now like we have never seen and the man is still 7 back. And in being 7 back everything has gone perfect for him. Hardly anything has gone wrong. No real injuries,no big slumps everything has been so perfect and so charmed and the man is still 7 back. I say if he does it...and i still think its an if(im confident but you never know if he gets injured) i just dont see another guy dominating and having everything go his way. I cant even imagine it happening
August 4th, 2006, 09:50 PM
Tiger is no different. For all his greatness, there will be a time when he's considered a future player's Jack.
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