Is there any sport where the class athletes don't have a bit of attitude with the media and the public and even one another?...I guess if I had people hounding me constantly for my attention it would get a little old. Remember, too, that the average fan isn't as important to today's athletes. Tour sponsorships pay for the prize money and most of the top golfers make more in endorsements than they do by playing...that somewhat explains Daley's popularity...he's somewhat of a throwback to the "old days."....Tiger is a great golfer but too robotic of a personality for me....
At the Memorial this year, there was reportedly a phone call from Woods' agent, Mark Steinberg, to CBS officials requesting that Kostis not be assigned to walk with Woods' group. (Not the first such call, supposedly.) The implication was clear: From now on, Kostis was on double-secret probation. No more post-round interviews.
This is an excerpt from the article MR3856a was refering to and that's just one example.
That is why I think Tiger is an immature spoiled baby.
I wouldn't go that far, but by and large I do agree that he could be a bit less... picky about things. I mean, Peter Kostis? Have you heard the guy? Sounds like a real animal! He seems like a pretty even-handed, agreeable guy to me. I don't know what he did to make Tiger angry, but I do think the response was perhaps a bit much.
One thing out of a mans life and you call him spoiled,arrogant,and immature. Until you talk to Tiger you have no ideal how he feels about what happened and why maybe he was mad. He handles himself with class and dignity for the most part and i think its overall very impressive with the distractions and demands he has in life. He is great for sports and great for the game of golf. Through all of this he usually has smiles on the course and jokes with the media off the course. Never a boring interview with made up answers. You can actually learn listening to him. He is not always going to act or handle things the way YOU want him too.
I don't think Tiger Woods is human. I mean, I went to the British Open at Hoylake on the Friday. He came off the 18th winning, He should be Happy as Larry (I know I would have been) and didn't sign one autograph. But just to top it all off, he walked so close to all the kids with the pen and paper.
I don't think Tiger Woods is human. I mean, I went to the British Open at Hoylake on the Friday. He came off the 18th winning, He should be Happy as Larry (I know I would have been) and didn't sign one autograph. But just to top it all off, he walked so close to all the kids with the pen and paper.
Personally I think that was rather... Arrogant.
Like on of the post stated earlier the fans are not the direct support of the top golfers of the world it is the endorsements from the equipment manufactures that are paying the big bucks, in a way the fans support but the are so far removed it does not matter. One has to accept the fact that Tiger or and any of the other top golfers are somewhat aloof and arrogant.
We must not watch the same interviews because i find them entertaning,insightful and on occasions humerous. Hes a good guy and does the best he can with the enormity of his position in the golf world. I salute him for being the man he is. If more people could act like Tiger i think it would be an ok place.
Like on of the post stated earlier the fans are not the direct support of the top golfers of the world it is the endorsements from the equipment manufactures that are paying the big bucks, in a way the fans support but the are so far removed it does not matter. One has to accept the fact that Tiger or and any of the other top golfers are somewhat aloof and arrogant.
With all due respect Halk, I think that your post and the previous one stating the same sentiment both miss the forest for the trees. Without the fans there is no TV, no endorsements, nada. It all flows from the fans interest in these guys.
I don't think Tiger Woods is human. I mean, I went to the British Open at Hoylake on the Friday. He came off the 18th winning, He should be Happy as Larry (I know I would have been) and didn't sign one autograph. But just to top it all off, he walked so close to all the kids with the pen and paper.
Personally I think that was rather... Arrogant.
Have you considered that maybe he had a post round interview to take part in? Or that he had obligations after the round with sponsors, the PGA Tour, and/or post round practice? I've spent several years as a marshall at his tournament and found that he rarely signs immediately following the round. In fact his typical routine after the round is something like this...
- Sign scorecard
- Clean up for the cameras
- Take care of interviews and other sponsor related obligations
- Grab a drink and a bite to eat
- Practice on the range
- Putting practice
He'll usually signs autographs on the range after he's finished practicing.
I am guessing that you'll find the majority of players on TOUR don't step off the 18th green and immediately start signing autographs as they have a lot of work to do after the round.
First, can someone please explain to me why anybody collects autographs? I see people holding out programs, odd pieces of papers, hats, etc. for celebrities to scribble their John Henrys on and I just don't get it! What do you do with the item afterward - save the paper? never wear the hat again? Seems a pretty useless hobby to me.
Secondly, on the Kostis coldshoulder, it seems to me the genesis of the hard feelings came from a remark Peter made about Tiger's play suffering after his marriage to Elin. While Tiger may get frosty to those who constantly second guess his schedule, swing changes, coaching choices, etc. - he gets positively frigid to those who make any kind of "personal" statement about his family. Can't personally blame him for that. Elin never puts herself forward or seeks the limelight and making remarks of even mild criticism about her is offbase, in my opinion.
First, can someone please explain to me why anybody collects autographs? I see people holding out programs, odd pieces of papers, hats, etc. for celebrities to scribble their John Henrys on and I just don't get it! What do you do with the item afterward - save the paper? never wear the hat again? Seems a pretty useless hobby to me.
I've always felt exactly the same way, Donna, even when I was a kid. There are a lot of nice folks, though... some are even members here, who find it a worthwhile hobby so I've kept my feelings to myself ... until now I guess (which are a bit harsher on the subject than yours, BTW ). Thanks !
One thing out of a mans life and you call him spoiled,arrogant,and immature. Until you talk to Tiger you have no ideal how he feels about what happened and why maybe he was mad. He handles himself with class and dignity for the most part and i think its overall very impressive with the distractions and demands he has in life. He is great for sports and great for the game of golf. Through all of this he usually has smiles on the course and jokes with the media off the course. Never a boring interview with made up answers. You can actually learn listening to him. He is not always going to act or handle things the way YOU want him too.
I have seen press conferences where Tiger has joked with the press. I have seen Tiger share a laugh with other players on the course. And at last years Buick Open on the 17th hole in the fourth round when he made a run at Vijay, he birdied the hole and played to the crowd with his hand cupped to his ear as he listened to their cheers.
On the other hand Tiger is one of the most scrutinize and watched individuals in the world. Imagine living in a media fishbowl where you have people clamoring to know every detail of your life. The man has to build a wall around some aspects of his life to protect his privacy.
In response to Donnakay - Kostis' remark regarding Tigers' wife was simply pondering outloud whether or not getting married and starting a family would affect his golf game - there was no criticism involved whatsoever. In response to tigeroverjack, that was only one example of Tiger behaving that way - in the article there were a couple of others and if you go back even futher, you'll find more. Also, in his interviews, by his own admission, he gives fairly stock answers and in fact, rarely answers the questions that are asked of him. Often time he just skirts the issue. And yes, often times he is good to the media and the fans and to fellow golfers - that I am not arguing. Now, with all that being said, I can understand why he is sensitive and guarded with his life, but being the powerful public figure that he is, there is no need to act as though the media and us(golf fans) owe him special treatment. Believe it or not, tigeroverjack, I actually like and respect Tiger. He has done a lot not only for the game of golf, but also for underprivleged kids and the community in general. But, and this is the big one, he's not the be all, end all of anything and sometimes he acts like he is.
As I recall it, Kostis actually commented to Tiger in a post round interview that his swing seemed to be suffering since his marriage to Elin. Tiger's face froze and he did not respond. Subsequently, Kostis "pondered" in his commentary about the effect of marriage and children on Tiger's committment to the game.
Perhaps Kostis meant to be humorous - making a sort of off-color joke about other activities with Elin affecting his swing. I remember at the time thinking it was rather crude. Presumably, Tiger felt the same way.
August 8th, 2006, 11:29 AM
He seems like a pretty even-handed, agreeable guy to me. I don't know what he did to make Tiger angry, but I do think the response was perhaps a bit much.
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