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I just hope she wasn't getting any putting tips from him.

That's impossible. If you removed the players in positions 1 through 20 on the leaderboard after round 2, the cut line would have gone up 1 stroke?

Absolutely, 100% impossible.

It would be possible, but there would have to be a ton of ties which more then likley did not happen. Lets see the scores after the second round please.

Furyk -6
Cambell -6
Toms-5
Appleby -4
Smith -4
Holmes -4
Villegas -4
Kelly -3

http://www.golftoday.co.uk/tours/200...n/round_2.html

There are some ties, yes, but if you drop the top 20, the cut falls at least 4 shots, and almost certainly more.

A link to the the scoreboard.

In Europe, it is top 65 and ties that make the cut.

As it was 74 players made the cut at -1 or better.
If the top 20 were removed, that means the player in tied 86th would move up to tied for 66th and so he would still miss the cut.
Amn't I right there?

The player that was at 86th had a score of +1. He would still be missing the cut, because he would only move up to 66th position.

Therefore the score needed to make the cut would be Even Par, as opposed to -1.

There were 28 guys at T-20 or better, so the cut would have moved to +1 by my guesstimation. It's 2 strokes, but it's also 28 more guys to outplay. Either way, it's a significant move in the cut.

But top 20 for any particular 2nd round cut is irrelevant - what I was talking about was strength of field. In other words, in this field, there are maybe 5 players in the top 50 in the world, in the BMW there were, what, 5 times that many probably?

This is a much weaker field than the BMW by any measure. She's doing what she always does - playing a B or C-field men's event, and in terms of World Ranking, this is a C-field at best.

Why are you guestimating anything.
The fact is the guy who was 86th would move up 20 places if the top 20 were missing.
That would make him 66th and so he would still miss the cut, so there is no need for any guesses.

No it isn't. 1 shot is not a significant move.

And if some of the players who replaced them played well, the cut line mightn't even change that one shot.
Another thing is that the BMW probably only had about 10 name players more than the Omega, not 20, so again, the cut line may well be the exact same.

Not if the top 20 scores were missing. There were 28 guys tied for the top 20 at the end of round 2.

BMW:
David Howell
Miguel Angel Jiminez
Padraig Harrington
Trevor Immelman
Paul Casey
Robert Karlsson
J-M Olozabel
Ernie Els
Retief Goosen
Henrik Stenson
Luke Donald
Kenneth Ferrie
Nik O'Hern
Angel Cabrera
Niclas Fasth
Paul Broadhurst
Michael Campbell
Colin Montgomerie
Ian Poulter
Darren Clarke
Thomas Bjorn
Ben Curtis (just kidding!)
Lee Westwood
Adam Scott
Charl Schwarzel

Omega:
Miguel Angel Jimenez
Paul Broadhurst
Sergio Garcia
Ummm...
Ummm...
Er....

Surely your not on about removing top 20 & ties.
What is that about? ****

If there were 20 extra top players, then 20 guys wouldn't be there, not 20 and ties.

My discussions with you have come to a close and not before time either.

You said top 20 after the second round, not top 20 players rankings-wise. That's why I asked that specific question.

Either way, the field at the Omega is a weak field, as I've clearly shown above.

Tee Times Information:
Round 1:
Hole 1: 13:40 FDEZ-CASTAÑO Gonzalo
WIE Michelle
DOUGHERTY Nick

That's 1:40 pm at gm+2.
Therefore it is at 11.40am GM Time.
So for US eastern time that would be 6.40AM over there.

Info on Michelle's playing partners:

Gonzalo Fernandez-Castano:
Turned pro in September, 2004 and won his tour card at q school.
It took him just 16 events to get his first win. He also won the rookie of the year award.
In 2006, he has continued to be impressive. He had a 2nd place and a win so far. He is only 25 years old by the way.

Nick Dougherty:
Turned pro in 2001. Gained his tour card for the 2002 season by coming 3rd in q school. He was rookie of the year also.
His progress in 2003 and 2004 was hindered by gladular fever, but her came back strong in 2005, with 15th on the order of merit money list, and winning a title, holding off Colin Montgomerie and Thomas Bjorn his playing partners down the stretch. Also had placings of 6th, 3rd, 5th and 2nd that season.
In 2006, he has had placings of 2nd and 4th and probably even more notably, he was 3rd at the HSBC Champions Tournament behind David Howell and Tiger Woods.

By the way, both guys are 6 foot 1 inch tall. Both won rookie of the year in their respective rookie years, and very importantly, they are both safe on tour, in the sense that they both have their cards easily secured.
It probably wouldn't be fair to put someone struggling for their card with the extra attention of playing in a marquee group.

Well, she's apparently bombing so far, though they're about to start showing her round on the Golf Channel. Apparently she's, like, way over, dude, through 11 and dragging Dougherty down with her*.

They asked M-A Jimenez what he thought, his response was basically "a professional golfer shouldn't be out here trying to make cuts, you should enter tournaments you think you can win."

Anyway, my 75-78=MC prediction is looking pretty good right now.

* Edit: apparently Dougherty's been stinking it up for a while now, so that's all on him.

Ok, seriously, she's looked awful. In the trees, in the bunkers, pitching from bunkers over greens, leaving downhill putts 4 feet short, 3-jacking from 20 feet, having chips come back to her feet. Pretty ugly so far.

They were on the clock, too, apparently, which seems to be another constant with her in men's events.

shes playing terrible IMO, low hooks off the tees

EDIT: and you 2 fight over Wie every thread you get too, her play dictates who is right in whatever discussion

I watched quite a bit of it.
Basically she was hitting everything left.
No big deal, it happens to all golfers.
She will hopefully get it sorted for the 2nd round.

The Omega and Lumber are learning experiences, because they are the type of courses she probably wouldn't be used to and neither would suit her game as it is.
Once she gets some information out of it, that is a success.