Ok first off i know he has won 5 in a row where is the 6th going to be at? I thought it would be at the WGC in England because this is a official PGA tour event and not the World Matchplay????Anyone know? Obviously the matchplay would be next but thats matchplay and not a stroke event so im assuming its at the WGC.....but here is what Tiger said in an interview when asked where do you go for 6?...When do I go for six? In two weeks. I play the Match Play and then play the Ryder Cup and then I play the American Express championship. So three weeks in Europe right in a row. Maybe he just said that in an interview i dont think us fans and media and the tour would recognize it as 6 in a row since its not a PGA tour event. Actually i hope not those are hard to win and not stroke play..What are your guys thoughts???
Secondly it seems Tiger is going into architecture business soon which surprised me since i havent heard him say he would until now. I always knew he would but he officially says it now in this quote......But I am getting into golf course design business here probably pretty soon. So it's something that I'm very excited about to be creative and design a piece of property that people will want to go play. It's going to be challenging, but also be fun.
So that part is really enjoyable to me, because I play golf courses now, I played all around the world, I've seen so many different type of golf courses and the types of styles that I have my own opinion on how the game should be played. And hopefully you get pieces of property which you can make that happen.
First off could you answer where do you think his 6th in a row will be or will be recognized and secondly your thoughts on him going into desing of courses and its effect.Thanks
First of all, the match play at Wentworth will NOT count. It is a European Tour event and as such, it doesn't count for a PGA Tour win streak. Tiger actually came in 6th at a Euro Tour event in between his 4th and 5th wins during his first streak of 6 on the PGA Tour back in 1999-2000. So this current streak is the first one in which he's won 5 pro tournaments in a row regardless of which Tour.
As for course design, I really don't have much of an opinion on it. I'm guessing he'll do a good job just like other Tour players have (Nicklaus, Palmer, Love III, etc.).
Ok first off i know he has won 5 in a row where is the 6th going to be at? I thought it would be at the WGC in England because this is a official PGA tour event and not the World Matchplay????Anyone know? Obviously the matchplay would be next but thats matchplay and not a stroke event so im assuming its at the WGC.....but here is what Tiger said in an interview when asked where do you go for 6?...When do I go for six? In two weeks. I play the Match Play and then play the Ryder Cup and then I play the American Express championship. So three weeks in Europe right in a row. Maybe he just said that in an interview i dont think us fans and media and the tour would recognize it as 6 in a row since its not a PGA tour event. Actually i hope not those are hard to win and not stroke play..What are your guys thoughts???
Secondly it seems Tiger is going into architecture business soon which surprised me since i havent heard him say he would until now. I always knew he would but he officially says it now in this quote......But I am getting into golf course design business here probably pretty soon. So it's something that I'm very excited about to be creative and design a piece of property that people will want to go play. It's going to be challenging, but also be fun.
So that part is really enjoyable to me, because I play golf courses now, I played all around the world, I've seen so many different type of golf courses and the types of styles that I have my own opinion on how the game should be played. And hopefully you get pieces of property which you can make that happen.
First off could you answer where do you think his 6th in a row will be or will be recognized and secondly your thoughts on him going into desing of courses and its effect.Thanks
As far as the course design thing goes...I'm not sure its such a grand idea. There are those who were meant to design courses and there are those who weren't but their name alone will draw people. Guys like Alistair McKenzie, Robert Trent Jones, Nicklaus, Dye, Fazio (though I've never liked his courses) all seem to have a "god-given" gift for designing great courses. Palmer and a few others who used their playing fame to enter the course business don't seem to do it for me.
I've played many Palmer layouts and they all seem "tricked up". Meaning that there are a lot of false fronts, blind shots, deceptive angles, etc. that make it difficult for those who will only play the course once or twice. I play a Palmer course a lot, because its a half mile from my house, and I don't like all of the deception.
I also think players who jump into that arena tend to replicate a lot of what they've seen at other courses...and they tend to lack orginality. Hale Irwin designed a very nice course in Lafayette, IN six or seven years ago and in 10 years it will be an amazing track....save two holes that were very closely modeled after two holes at Augusta National.
...Palmer and a few others who used their playing fame to enter the course business don't seem to do it for me.
I've played many Palmer layouts and they all seem "tricked up". Meaning that there are a lot of false fronts, blind shots, deceptive angles, etc. that make it difficult for those who will only play the course once or twice. I play a Palmer course a lot, because its a half mile from my house, and I don't like all of the deception...
Thanks SuperTiger18. I've been wanting to post the same thing. I didn't because Arnie's one of my sports heros, if you will, and I've only played 3 of his layouts. Your description of the ones that you've played could be used to describe all 3 I've played to a tee. Extremely frustrating and not in a good way. I'd have to play them each about 10 times and take notes before I had any idea what I was doing out there and layouts with Arnie's name on them are not cheap. I'll get frustrated a lot less expensively elsewhere, thanks.
Maybe he just said that in an interview i dont think us fans and media and the tour would recognize it as 6 in a row since its not a PGA tour event. Actually i hope not those are hard to win and not stroke play..What are your guys thoughts???
Sticking to the 6th win part of the questions here.
From what I know about Tiger, what he is really saying is that he is going to win the next event he enters. Maybe he will, maybe he won't - but his menality is that he is going to win at whatever challenge he faces. He's a competitor whose speciality is golf, but he is the kind of person who will face any challenge for the sake of competition.
My expectations are always kind of low when I hear about yet another professional golfer getting into golf course design. Most of these guys just are not true artists.
But heck, I suppose golf course design is just another business side of golf, right? And Tiger is most certainly a businessman, no? I'm sure there is a side of Tiger that wishes only to do his part in enabling more young kids to get into golf. He may end up designing courses in neighborhoods which are largely populated with minority kids.
Last weekend I watched the replay of Ed Bradley's interview with Tiger when Tiger's new education center was opening. The thrill and excitement Tiger felt as he watched the kids come in and start using the facilities was quite eveident. There faciltiy has all kinds of hands-on activities for kids to experience forensics, aerospace, engineering, and several other areas. It also has a golf instruction area with driving range, huge putting course, etc.
Anyway, that's obviously something he intends to spend a lot of time on, as the one in California is just the prototype, and he wants to open them around the country. Perhaps he'll find a way to tie that in with the course design, and build learning centers on full size courses for kids to play and learn.
Thanks SuperTiger18. I've been wanting to post the same thing. I didn't because Arnie's one of my sports heros, if you will, and I've only played 3 of his layouts. Your description of the ones that you've played could be used to describe all 3 I've played to a tee. Extremely frustrating and not in a good way. I'd have to play them each about 10 times and take notes before I had any idea what I was doing out there and layouts with Arnie's name on them are not cheap. I'll get frustrated a lot less expensively elsewhere, thanks.
Not a problem...I just wanted to share my experience with his courses. Nicklaus' seems to do a very good job of making courses tough but fair and pretty straightforward. What you see is what you get.
Pete Dye does a pretty good job of keeping things out in the open...though he does usually mix in a hole or two that makes you really think..."where was that? I didn't see that" or "that bunker didn't look like it was so close to the green". He redesigned the course at Purdue University a few years ago and some of the holes are pretty deceptive with the mounding and waste bunkering. But he did a nice job of balancing those holes with ones that are outher there like an open book.
It's inevitable that Tiger will get into golf course architecture. Obviously, there is no guarantee he will be good at it, just the way it's no guarantee that superstar players in team sports will become good coaches.
I look forward to seeing/playing his designs though. The funny thing is, one of the knocks on Nicklaus courses is that he deisgns them for long hitters who fade the ball, just like he did. If Tiger follows suit, you will seen pinched fairways for us mere mortals, and the fairways will widen at, say, 320-360! haha
Slightly OT here. You know how some courses has island greens...do any have island fairways? I remember playing a golf video game years ago (Commodore 64) that had a course like that. Any one know?
Slightly OT here. You know how some courses has island greens...do any have island fairways? I remember playing a golf video game years ago (Commodore 64) that had a course like that. Any one know?
There's one in the suburbs of Vancouver, BC. Meadow Gardens... I haven't actually played it before, but I know from word of mouth and research of courses in the area that the 18th hole is a par 5 whose fairway is actually two large islands in the middle of a pond... and to top it off, you then hit into an island green.
Slightly OT here. You know how some courses has island greens...do any have island fairways? I remember playing a golf video game years ago (Commodore 64) that had a course like that. Any one know?
The one that I know of is the King's North Course at Myrtle Beach National, designed by Arnold Palmer.
Check out this attachment, and near the bottom, click on # 6 "The Gambler". It gives a great pic of this risk/reward par 5.
September 5th, 2006, 10:26 AM
I've been wanting to post the same thing. I didn't because Arnie's one of my sports heros, if you will, and I've only played 3 of his layouts. Your description of the ones that you've played could be used to describe all 3 I've played to a tee. Extremely frustrating and not in a good way. I'd have to play them each about 10 times and take notes before I had any idea what I was doing out there and layouts with Arnie's name on them are not cheap. I'll get frustrated a lot less expensively elsewhere, thanks.
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