In most circumstances I would agree - that makes complete sense. I did a bit of research earlier showing that of the top 30 in driving distance in the Sony, 29 players were above their season averages, including 2 players who were 30 or more yards over their season average and 11 who were 20 or more yards over their season averages.
Taking the top 30, they are likely to be driving it far in that tournament, if they are in the top 30 obviously. Why didn't you take the bottom 30 and check if they were above their season averages?
Take the bottom 30 in any tournament, and most of them will likely be above their season average.
Taking the top 30, they are likely to be driving it far in that tournament, if they are in the top 30 obviously. Why didn't you take the bottom 30 and check if they were above their season averages?
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Originally Posted by wazmankg
driving stats for one tournament are far more often misleading on the low end, due to a poor drive than the high end.... that's just common sense.
Or perhaps you're trying to tell us Bart Bryant averages 313 off the tee and Jason Gore 265?
Without wading too deeply into these waters, FWIW, driving stats for one tournament are far more often misleading on the low end, due to a poor drive than the high end.... that's just common sense. I don't know how relevant that is with respect to this fascinating discussion, but there you go...
Waz,
You are usually fairly impatial, so could you answer this.
Jim Furyk averaged less than Michelle after the 2 rounds of the tournament. Jim was leading the tournament after the 2 rounds. Doesn't this suggest that Michelle could have been leading with her current driving abilities after 2 rounds?
Of course Michelle would have a long way to go to match Jim's accuracy and skill and overall game, but just from a driving standpoint, the question is asked.
Waz,
You are usually fairly impatial, so could you answer this.
Jim Furyk averaged less than Michelle after the 2 rounds of the tournament. Jim was leading the tournament after the 2 rounds. Doesn't this suggest that Michelle could have been leading with her current driving abilities after 2 rounds?
Of course Michelle would have a long way to go to match Jim's accuracy and skill and overall game, but just from a driving standpoint, the question is asked.
Don't forget the importance of where you miss a shot. Also, Furyk is known as a pretty fierce competitor(at least thats how another top player described him), so that's a pretty big factor. Golf than is this more sentence complex.
Waz,
You are usually fairly impatial, so could you answer this.
Jim Furyk averaged less than Michelle after the 2 rounds of the tournament. Jim was leading the tournament after the 2 rounds. Doesn't this suggest that Michelle could have been leading with her current driving abilities after 2 rounds?
Of course Michelle would have a long way to go to match Jim's accuracy and skill and overall game, but just from a driving standpoint, the question is asked.
Ambivalent is more like it , but I suppose you have a point. I think that we can all agree that Corey Pavin is shorter than Michelle and he proved that he's still capable of getting the job done. Isn't Furyk also one of the more accurate drivers on tour as well, though ? Driving distance is the least of Michelle's worries regardless of where she's competing. She's undoubtedly long enough off the tee to compete against the guys... but only if & when the rest of her game improves dramatically. I'm more worried about her mental state right now, after watching her demeanor in post round interviews last week.
I really think it's time she start and/or stick to playing to a level of competition closer to her ability. The LPGA should be all means give her full-time status on the LPGA Tour, where she has clearly shown she can compete, but she should no longer be competing in men's events (unless she qualifies for them).
I just hope there isn't a serious backlash against this girl for this, because it's other people looking out for their (financial) interest and not hers that put her in this position.
I was wondering when you were going to start these same types of posts for all the PGA and Euro tounaments for each and every player that has finished dead last. I realize that is quite a bit of work, but just to help you out a bit I thought I would give you a few examples. For the 2004 Sony..John Lynch, score 157, Michelle 149. Maybe he should go play with competition equal to his skills which apparently for that particular tounament were less than Michelle's. Of course, there were a few who weren't dead last but their skills were also not quite as good as Michelle's that year, such as Kevn Na, Len Mattiace (lost playoff in 2003 Masters) whose scores were 154. How about the 2006 Sony, where Brad Elder and Todd Hamilton tied for DEAD LAST with a score of 152, whereas Michelle tied for 117th with a score of 147.
I am just showing there is a flaw in your reasoning if you think that because she finished last (first time ever in any predominantly male tournament) she is outclassed and should play elsewhere. Someone is always going to be dead last in a tournament for many different reasons. Doesn't mean they shouldn't be playing or that they are playing out of their skill level. Also, there have been many players who have missed cut after cut until their breakthrough. Some go on to be very successful and other have lesser career and some never make it.
Without wading too deeply into these waters, FWIW, driving stats for one tournament are far more often misleading on the low end, due to a poor drive than the high end.... that's just common sense. I don't know how relevant that is with respect to this fascinating discussion, but there you go...
Exactly. When you see an unrealistically low driving average for a single tourney, it's likely to seriously underrepresent the players driving ability. When the player hits the fairway with decent drives on the correct holes than it is more likely to represent their driving ability.
You all are asking the wrong questions here. The real question everyone should be asking is..."Has anyone seen M Wie's 'A' game?" So far no one has seen it (i.e. ZERO wins on the LPGA and ZERO men's cuts made.) Even M Wie admits as much after every failed PGA cut attempt and failure to win an LPGA event.
Someone call me when she gets that "W" because that is the only stat worth noting at the end of the day.
September 11th, 2006, 03:10 PM
, but I suppose you have a point. I think that we can all agree that Corey Pavin is shorter than Michelle and he proved that he's still capable of getting the job done. Isn't Furyk also one of the more accurate drivers on tour as well, though ? Driving distance is the least of Michelle's worries regardless of where she's competing. She's undoubtedly long enough off the tee to compete against the guys... but only if & when the rest of her game improves dramatically. I'm more worried about her mental state right now, after watching her demeanor in post round interviews last week.
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