As for it being the best, the inclusion of women on the PGA tours has uniquely managed to lower the quality of the golf.
I find it hard to believe that the 2003 Colonial was low quality golf simply because Annika was playing in the event. I can't imagine the quality of golf was lower than that of lesser tournaments such as the Valero Texas Open, or the Southern Farm Bureau Classic or the 84 Lumber Classic of Pennsylvania (with all due respect to those tournaments). I'm sure Kenny Perry would vouch for the quality of golf at the Colonial that year.
FYI... although missing the cut, Annika did manage to finish 2 shots better than the player who won the men's US OPEN this year...
For reference, the longest course on the ladies MAJOR circuit 2006 was 6616 yards. That is nearly 800 yards shorter than Medinah. It is also over 600 yards shorter than Hoylake where Tiger only hit irons off the tee all week.
At Hoylake, Tiger had very long iron approach shots. Tiger is probably the only one who could have taken this route with success.
Also, on a links course like Hoylake there was a bit of run, actually plenty of run, on the irons Tiger hit off the tee.
Of course alot of this discussion is silly. Someone claimed Tiger would win all the lpga events. Well he is winning practically all the pga events anyway, so where is the big deal with stating he would win all the lpga events.
I guess for the same reason that we have womens athletics, womens basketball and football teams etc.
Not allowing minority or women groups a privelge that the majority or indeed men are able to enjoy is considered discrimination.
Because women can not physically compete with the men on equal terms, having a separate tour only for women, does not amount to discrimination. Simply that.
I understand your point. But taking a small exerpt from the Wikipedia definition of discrimination: "Gender discrimination is any action that grants or denies opportunities, privileges, or rewards to a person just on the basis of their sex."
I understand your point. But taking a small exerpt from the Wikipedia definition of discrimination: "Gender discrimination is any action that grants or denies opportunities, privileges, or rewards to a person just on the basis of their sex."
It's a two-way street with one-way signs.
There is also plenty of talk of age discrimination.
Do you consider the champions tour, to mean discrimination also?
Men only golf clubs have come under pressure to accept female members and many of them have been forced to yield. Yet the LPGA is allowed to have "women only" in their rules. Why isn't this considered discrimination?
What is OK for one group should be OK for all groups. Anything otherwise only fosters further division and animosity.
I don't think any of them have been forced to yield. It's my understanding that private clubs are private clubs - they can do whatever the they please. There have been instances of clubs which get special privileges - be it property tax breaks and various other types of public (ie taxpayer) support - who you could say were "forced," as in they were told "admit women or no more tax breaks." But overall, a private club cannot be forced to do anything.
Most of the pressure they come under is public pressure. Some yield. Many don't.
I don't think any of them have been forced to yield. It's my understanding that private clubs are private clubs - they can do whatever the they please. There have been instances of clubs which get special privileges - be it property tax breaks and various other types of public (ie taxpayer) support - who you could say were "forced," as in they were told "admit women or no more tax breaks." But overall, a private club cannot be forced to do anything.
Most of the pressure they come under is public pressure. Some yield. Many don't.
This is some interesting reading. Granted, it was about 3 years ago but it won't be the last time it's tried.
At Hoylake, Tiger had very long iron approach shots. Tiger is probably the only one who could have taken this route with success.
Also, on a links course like Hoylake there was a bit of run, actually plenty of run, on the irons Tiger hit off the tee.
Of course alot of this discussion is silly. Someone claimed Tiger would win all the lpga events. Well he is winning practically all the pga events anyway, so where is the big deal with stating he would win all the lpga events.
Stating Ireland as location you surely dont think that run alone was counting for 600 yards between an american and a UK links course...
Tiger is winning plenty on the regular PGA, but he has to think about it. On the LPGA he coulp probably wanter out there with 6 clubs in a carry bag and still win by a country mile. It wouldnt even need to be Tiger, I doubt any male golfer outside the world top 100 would fail to totally dominate the ladies tour. The ladies simply are not good enough to be competing with the men. Just because you are keen on certain female players is just no justification to have them taking up a space which could be occupied by someone with half a chance of making a good showing.
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I find it hard to believe that the 2003 Colonial was low quality golf simply because Annika was playing in the event. I can't imagine the quality of golf was lower than that of lesser tournaments such as the Valero Texas Open, or the Southern Farm Bureau Classic or the 84 Lumber Classic of Pennsylvania (with all due respect to those tournaments). I'm sure Kenny Perry would vouch for the quality of golf at the Colonial that year.
FYI... although missing the cut, Annika did manage to finish 2 shots better than the player who won the men's US OPEN this year...
But her presence added nothing to the quality, that is impossible to deny. The presence of Wie is absolutely unquestionably lowering the standard at the moment.
Just because you are keen on certain female players is just no justification to have them taking up a space which could be occupied by someone with half a chance of making a good showing.
But her presence added nothing to the quality, that is impossible to deny. The presence of Wie is absolutely unquestionably lowering the standard at the moment.
Who, in your opinion, would that "someone" be, for example? Unless you can show me someone that was bumped due to her exemption(s) that would have definitely fared better than she did, I'll reserve judgement that the standard is unquestionably lower.
But her presence added nothing to the quality, that is impossible to deny. The presence of Wie is absolutely unquestionably lowering the standard at the moment.
Impossible? I think a woman playing a PGA Tour event increases the quality of play because none of the guys want to risk finishing behind them, especially those with a mindset similar to yours. Even someone as agreeable to their participation as Fred Funk has stated that he hopes they do well...... as long as long as they finish lower than him.
Last edited by jimmigan : September 13th, 2006 at 09:47 AM.
Yh, with tiger playing in say one or two tournaments in the lpga tour, it would probabily increase, popularity of the tour, and then like on my computer game (yes i know it sounds geeky) you have a special tee box for tiger, though still i think it woul dbe wrong for tiger to march in and steal one of the ladies 1st place, maybe it should stay how it is.
Tiger would NEVER play on the LPGA i think unless he goes bankrupt and he gets banned for life from the PGA
No, he'd just move to Europe, become a Swedish citizen and top the order of merit year in and year out. He'd also end Europe's 15 year Major Tournament drought.
But taking the good with the bad, Ryder Cup Captain Nick Faldo will pair Tiger with Sergio Garcia and spearhead the European's demise...... Faldo, having to seek political asylum in the good 'ole USA (again) will say that the pairing "looked good on paper"
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September 12th, 2006, 11:24 AM
they please. There have been instances of clubs which get special privileges - be it property tax breaks and various other types of public (ie taxpayer) support - who you could say were "forced," as in they were told "admit women or no more tax breaks." But overall, a private club cannot be forced to do anything.
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