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Old September 11th, 2006, 02:21 PM
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Men on the LPGA...

Apparently the golf is not such a big deal anymore so how about this... the LPGA invite Tiger to compete alongside the ladies in an event here and there... The male public would love it... I'd certainly be highly amused to see Tiger romp away with a 20 shot victory!
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Old September 11th, 2006, 02:28 PM
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Why not? The women are playing with the men (and coming in last place) mostly for marketing and the almighty $$. Well, they want ratings and $$, what better way then to have Tiger play with women?
But, how about evening out the field by having Tiger show up just for the weekend and start playing??
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Old September 11th, 2006, 02:38 PM
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Men won't be playing on the Lpga tour.

However women can play on the pga tour.

Maybe you guys could set up a mpga tour.
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Old September 11th, 2006, 03:33 PM
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Why not? The women are playing with the men (and coming in last place) mostly for marketing and the almighty $$. Well, they want ratings and $$, what better way then to have Tiger play with women?
But, how about evening out the field by having Tiger show up just for the weekend and start playing??
I'd actually like to see that. Wouldn't it say a lot if Tiger only played two days and shot further under par than any of the ladies? Obviously it would never happen, but it does make you think.
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Old September 11th, 2006, 03:35 PM
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He'd be in the 50's all 4 rounds if he putted well.
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Old September 11th, 2006, 03:35 PM
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didn't some guy a few years back petition to get on the lpga? I remember hearing about it on espn. I don't think he lasted too long , got out there and realized how stupid he was being just to prove a point.
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Old September 11th, 2006, 04:13 PM
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I'd actually like to see that. Wouldn't it say a lot if Tiger only played two days and shot further under par than any of the ladies? Obviously it would never happen, but it does make you think.
Obviously that would work at the US Womens Open, because the winning score was level par.
So Tiger would be a big favourite to win with 2 rounds of play.

However at the Wendy's where Lorena had:
67 68 64 65 for -24.

That would mean Tiger would have to have 2 rounds of 60 to tie her, and there isn't much chance he would do that.

He wouldn't have a huge advantage on par 3 holes. It isn't easy to get a birdie on an lpga par 3 hole.
The par 5's should play like easy par 4s for him. So he would get some birdies and some eagles.
Then the par 4's although fairly easy, it's not like her could drive them. The odd one would be reachable, but they don't tend to set up well for driving to them. So it would be more like alot of wedges and short irons in.
He'd birdie alot, but it takes alot to get a score of -12 on any course.

Oh, and of course, it won't happen anyway.
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Old September 11th, 2006, 04:20 PM
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And what if Gungha Din had an F-16?
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Old September 11th, 2006, 05:00 PM
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Men have never played on the LPGA Tour. LPGA membership rules prohibit it.

Man to try to Enter LPGA
Following reports that Annika Sorenstam will be the first woman in 58 years to play in a PGA event, Brian Kontak has announced that he will attempt to enter the U.S. Women's Open, an LPGA event. While the PGA has always been chartered as a tour open to the best golfers in the game, the LPGA has always been open only to women. Hence the controversy.

It appears that there are major differences between the way Sorenstam and Kontak are approaching this. Sorenstam wants to see how she measures up against the men in a tournament. Kontak, according to a close friend, is doing this for the publicity. All the same, it raises an interesting question: if Sorenstam can play in what is traditionally, though not technically, an all-male event, why can't Kontak play in an all-women event?

It will be interesting to get people's reactions to this, particularly women who supported Sorenstam's decision. This all goes back to what I was saying in last week's column; if women are going to argue for equality, they must accept equality. They can't get special privileges just as men shouldn't get special privileges. The way I see it, there are two options: have one association open to both men and women, or have two organizations, each one excluding the other's gender. This is what would be fair. This is what would provide equality.


I never heard anything else about it, but I just looked this up and found a lot of sites about this guy, one on espn, this guy was a nationwide player and lost his tour card that year.
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Old September 11th, 2006, 05:18 PM
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Man to try to Enter LPGA
Following reports that Annika Sorenstam will be the first woman in 58 years to play in a PGA event, Brian Kontak has announced that he will attempt to enter the U.S. Women's Open, an LPGA event. While the PGA has always been chartered as a tour open to the best golfers in the game, the LPGA has always been open only to women. Hence the controversy.

It appears that there are major differences between the way Sorenstam and Kontak are approaching this. Sorenstam wants to see how she measures up against the men in a tournament. Kontak, according to a close friend, is doing this for the publicity. All the same, it raises an interesting question: if Sorenstam can play in what is traditionally, though not technically, an all-male event, why can't Kontak play in an all-women event?

It will be interesting to get people's reactions to this, particularly women who supported Sorenstam's decision. This all goes back to what I was saying in last week's column; if women are going to argue for equality, they must accept equality. They can't get special privileges just as men shouldn't get special privileges. The way I see it, there are two options: have one association open to both men and women, or have two organizations, each one excluding the other's gender. This is what would be fair. This is what would provide equality.


I never heard anything else about it, but I just looked this up and found a lot of sites about this guy, one on espn, this guy was a nationwide player and lost his tour card that year.

First, don't reproduce an article in whole or in part without attribution. A link is the proper method.

Second, we're not going to go down this beaten track again are we?

The PGA is not a men's association, regardless of the opinion regarding "tradition" of whomever originally wrote the rubbish above.
A woman first played in a PGA event long before most of us were born.
It is a private organization and could pass a bylaw tomorrow banning women from competing if they thought it were in their best interests. Apparently they do not as they haven't.
The concept is similar to the Champion's Tour which "discriminates" against those under 50.

It is arguments like this, as well as the "skirt wearing" controversy, that give all those who have reservations about Wie's career track a bad name.
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Old September 11th, 2006, 05:46 PM
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The way things stand, there is in fact bias against men as far as golf goes. Up on the tours, women can play anywhere they like, men cannot. At club level, women are pushing for full rights which would mean that they can play any competition whilst men could not.

There is a serious difference between the men and womens game which is where I am coming from. It wouldnt need to be Tiger. I suspect that any card carrying PGA pro (male) would dominate were he allowed to play on the womens tour. I dont care what all the stats say - stats are for people who dont understand experiment - the proof is in the results and there is absolutely no proof to counter that supposition (whilst every time a woman crashes out of a mens event, the case for support strengthens).
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Old September 11th, 2006, 06:06 PM
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The way things stand, there is in fact bias against men as far as golf goes. Up on the tours, women can play anywhere they like, men cannot.
There is no bias against men. Most people recognise that the average male golfer will be better than the average female golfer.
In the same way, the average 35 year old golfer will be better than the average 55 year old golfer.

That is why the lpga is there for women, and the champions tour is there for men over 50.
There may be the odd case where a man over 50, or a woman would be able to compete on the pga tour.
However that doesn't mean that the 35 year old guys should be able to go onto the lpga tour or the champions tour, and have a huge advantage over the vast majority of players and ruin those tours.

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Up on the tours, women can play anywhere they like, men cannot.
It could easily be substitued for:

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Up on the tours, men over 50 can play anywhere they like, men under 50 cannot.
It is perfectly fine to have protection for men over 50 and for women.
However if the pga tour wants to claim it is the best, and it does, then it cannot exclude any players.
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Old September 11th, 2006, 07:07 PM
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yep, theres no problem with it, if michelle wie can play with the men, then anyone can play off those women's tees...but why would you want to hahaha
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Old September 11th, 2006, 08:44 PM
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I'd say Tiger might win by more than 20 shots. These ladies tees are pretty far ahead of the mens. I remember Annika when she first played in a mens event, talking about how long the course was. Tiger would definitely get to every single green in two no questions, and maybe 4 or so in one shot.
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Old September 11th, 2006, 10:43 PM
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Why not? The women are playing with the men (and coming in last place) mostly for marketing and the almighty $$. Well, they want ratings and $$, what better way then to have Tiger play with women?
But, how about evening out the field by having Tiger show up just for the weekend and start playing??
That wouldn't be so fair...Tiger couldn't possibly take 260+ strokes in two rounds.
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