When his career is over we might be looking at a Walter Johnson-like figure. In baseball terms, that is 500 wins for a pitcher.... in Tiger terms, it might be 25-30 majors.
Walter Johnson only won 417 games, if my memory serves me correctly. Cy Young won 511 though. Interestingly, Big Train (Walter) got through his entire career by throwing his fastball exclusively. Musta been a heckuva pitch!!
Anyway, just to add to the relevance of this thread.
That page is absolutely incredible. Every time I go to it, my computer almost crashes.
Tiger's mom must be proud. I know that my mom used to bring clippings from the newspaper to work when my name was in there for getting a base hit in my high school game.
That page is absolutely incredible. Every time I go to it, my computer almost crashes.
Tiger's mom must be proud. I know that my mom used to bring clippings from the newspaper to work when my name was in there for getting a base hit in my high school game.
Wie has an impressive record against women golfers at any level she played. I simply feel that at this point in her career there is nothing from a playing standpoint for her to gain competing with men. Once she has won a few times on the LPGA, she will have hurdled a huge hump in her path and then could again evaluate the value of competing with men. However I fear her schedule will be pushed by her handlers for strictly financial windfall and recognition, rather than for what will ultimately lead her to get the most from her unique and massive talents.
That was the best i could find on Michelle at the time, (would have liked to have found better). i really hope that she wins title after title, but i also hope that she doesn't, one day, look back at her life and regret not having a normal teenhood, college experiences, etc. that she could have had (to an extent).
Try looking at www.808golf.com. It is a site that follows the Hawaiian golfer and it has a Wie Watch that you can click on and see what she has done since she started playing. In addition, the LPGA.com website has a link to an unofficial Michelle Wie page that lists her professional and amateur starts and the outcomes. The link is http://www.lpga.com/content/MichelleWieProfileStats.pdf.
Please remember that she is just turning 17 and still has plenty of time to build up her resume. People have a tendency to look at what Tiger has done and forget his not so outstanding start and compare what he did between 16 and 20 to what Michelle has done up to now.
Edit: Also the reason she plays the tournaments she does rather than applying and joining the LPGA now or sooner is because the Wies are trying to allow Michelle to have as normal a life as possible by keeping her in her normal high school and keeping her play to mostly the summer.
Here we go again. Now it's a Tiger thread that ends up being a Wie thread.
This is beyond ridiculous. In order to avoid threads where arguements (sp?) concering this (would be [wanna be?]) superstar occur, I guess I'm going to have to start ignoring ALL "Tour Talk" threads.
Here we go again. Now it's a Tiger thread that ends up being a Wie thread.
This is beyond ridiculous. In order to avoid threads where arguements (sp?) concering this (would be [wanna be?]) superstar occur, I guess I'm going to have to start ignoring ALL "Tour Talk" threads.
To be fair, I think that while jimmigan didn't mention Michelle in his initial post, he's a fan of hers and was recounting Tiger's early career almost as an invitation for Michelle comparisons. I'm sure he'll correct me if I mis-read his intent.
Try looking at www.808golf.com. It is a site that follows the Hawaiian golfer and it has a Wie Watch that you can click on and see what she has done since she started playing. In addition, the LPGA.com website has a link to an unofficial Michelle Wie page that lists her professional and amateur starts and the outcomes. The link is http://www.lpga.com/content/MichelleWieProfileStats.pdf.
Please remember that she is just turning 17 and still has plenty of time to build up her resume. People have a tendency to look at what Tiger has done and forget his not so outstanding start and compare what he did between 16 and 20 to what Michelle has done up to now.
Edit: Also the reason she plays the tournaments she does rather than applying and joining the LPGA now or sooner is because the Wies are trying to allow Michelle to have as normal a life as possible by keeping her in her normal high school and keeping her play to mostly the summer.
first off, and correct me if i'm wrong, she's not allowed to join the LPGA due to age restrictions and there is no way she can have a normal high school life with the national/world exposure she has had.
first off, and correct me if i'm wrong, she's not allowed to join the LPGA due to age restrictions and there is no way she can have a normal high school life with the national/world exposure she has had.
edit: where is Mr3856a when i need him!
MR is probably serving another ban or something.
As regards the normal life thing, it is pretty easy for her to have a normal life while she is in Hawaii anyway.
As regards joining the lpga tour, she could apply for an age waiver like Morgan Pressel did, but as Morgan showed it is difficult to keep full time golf going with high school. Morgan played most events while she was still at school and found it very difficult to do well, while still concentrating on school, so that would probably be a bad idea.
Walter Johnson only won 417 games, if my memory serves me correctly. Cy Young won 511 though. Interestingly, Big Train (Walter) got through his entire career by throwing his fastball exclusively. Musta been a heckuva pitch!!
Anyway, just to add to the relevance of this thread.
Thanks for the correction.... The relevance is 511 vs. 300, which is the benchmark for modern day great pitchers. I expect Tiger's record to be about as unapproachable as Cy Young's when it's all said and done.
To be fair, I think that while jimmigan didn't mention Michelle in his initial post, he's a fan of hers and was recounting Tiger's early career almost as an invitation for Michelle comparisons. I'm sure he'll correct me if I mis-read his intent.
Certainly. Tangential discussions within threads are very commonplace.... it happens in just about every thread with more than 7 or 8 responses. As long as the content isn't profane or not family friendly, I think it's all good. We could have other sarcastic threads titled "Ryder Cup 24/7" or "Tiger Woods 24/7".
Quite frankly I think some of our moderators are resentful of the attention Wie gets and this is their way of controlling it....... kind of ironic, actually.
"It's your world baby, I'm just living in it" Dean Martin
Certainly. Tangential discussions within threads are very commonplace.... it happens in just about every thread with more than 7 or 8 responses. As long as the content isn't profane or not family friendly, I think it's all good. We could have other sarcastic threads titled "Ryder Cup 24/7" or "Tiger Woods 24/7".
Quite frankly I think some of our moderators are resentful of the attention Wie gets and this is their way of controlling it....... kind of ironic, actually.
"It's your world baby, I'm just living in it" Dean Martin
Well I can only speak for myself, but including me, of the 6 active mods , I think all are fans of Michelle to varying degrees... even Leaguegolf ... he just likes to stir up trouble. The problem with some of the Michelle threads is that they tend to go around in circles and beat the same points to death over & over, often getting heated. We in turn have to read and edit all of this stuff and speaking as probably the biggest Michelle fan amongst the mods, it gets very old wading though the same old stuff. Now that she'll be playing again I'm sure the Michelle threads will heat up and that's great, but the endless "is it fair or not" and "early Tiger vs early Michelle" arguments have just been done to death. Is there really anything more to be said on either subject ? I know I haven't read any fresh insights on either in quite awhile. Oh ... and GO MICHELLE !!
Perhaps I don't understand your point, but then, maybe you just have your own problem in golf.
Earl and I had the VN war in common, and now that he is gone, I know that he put the T in Tiger, and no amateur opinions will stop the game that Tiger plays.
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Originally Posted by jimmigan
..... When he was a teenager on the PGA Tour. Otherwise he generally finished ahead of only a handful of golfers in his first 6 or 7 events. Guys like Arnold Palmer, Chip Beck, etc.
I looked back on some of his early forays on the PGA Tour and the buzz that surrounded his presence there. What I found was that other than his first event when he was 16, there was no buzz at all. In fact, there wasn't even a mention of him as a footnote in those events..... at least not on the Washington Post's sports page.
After that 1st PGA Event he said that he couldn't compete and needed to "grow up" before he could. He referred to the leaders being 12 under par and himself being some number over par to point out how overmatched he was...... it didn't stop him from accepting many subsequent sponsor's exemptions but he was very deferential.
October 9th, 2006, 08:32 PM
The problem with some of the Michelle threads is that they tend to go around in circles and beat the same points to death over & over, often getting heated. We in turn have to read and edit all of this stuff and speaking as probably the biggest Michelle fan amongst the mods, it gets very old wading though the same old stuff. Now that she'll be playing again I'm sure the Michelle threads will heat up and that's great, but the endless "is it fair or not" and "early Tiger vs early Michelle" arguments have just been done to death. Is there really anything more to be said on either subject ? I know I haven't read any fresh insights on either in quite awhile. Oh ... and GO MICHELLE !!
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