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Old October 9th, 2006, 08:20 AM
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Tiger comes in Dead-Last

..... When he was a teenager on the PGA Tour. Otherwise he generally finished ahead of only a handful of golfers in his first 6 or 7 events. Guys like Arnold Palmer, Chip Beck, etc.

I looked back on some of his early forays on the PGA Tour and the buzz that surrounded his presence there. What I found was that other than his first event when he was 16, there was no buzz at all. In fact, there wasn't even a mention of him as a footnote in those events..... at least not on the Washington Post's sports page.

After that 1st PGA Event he said that he couldn't compete and needed to "grow up" before he could. He referred to the leaders being 12 under par and himself being some number over par to point out how overmatched he was...... it didn't stop him from accepting many subsequent sponsor's exemptions but he was very deferential.
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Old October 9th, 2006, 10:02 AM
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..... When he was a teenager on the PGA Tour. Otherwise he generally finished ahead of only a handful of golfers in his first 6 or 7 events. Guys like Arnold Palmer, Chip Beck, etc.

I looked back on some of his early forays on the PGA Tour and the buzz that surrounded his presence there. What I found was that other than his first event when he was 16, there was no buzz at all. In fact, there wasn't even a mention of him as a footnote in those events..... at least not on the Washington Post's sports page.

After that 1st PGA Event he said that he couldn't compete and needed to "grow up" before he could. He referred to the leaders being 12 under par and himself being some number over par to point out how overmatched he was...... it didn't stop him from accepting many subsequent sponsor's exemptions but he was very deferential.

Unlike our current *phenom* trying to play some PGA events
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Old October 9th, 2006, 10:09 AM
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I knew he had shot some high scores, but I didn't know he actually had a last place, so thanks for the info.

It was good that although he knew he couldn't compete to win, he did know that the experience would do him good and so he kept accepting exemptions, even though he wasn't doing any better.

In fact you quoted where he said he wasn't good enough after the 1st, and he did worse than that in his next four attempts, but he kept plugging away, fair play to him.

It is interesting that he didn't get that much media attention, yet he kept getting exemptions. It isn't as if he had done anything spectacular. All he had done on a national level was to win boys titles, and he hadn't got anywhere in his attempts at the mens level, yet he kept getting exemptions to pga events.
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Old October 9th, 2006, 01:04 PM
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didn't he will a bunch of US Amatuers? hardly boy's events
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Old October 9th, 2006, 01:55 PM
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didn't he will a bunch of US Amatuers? hardly boy's events
He accepted a bunch of sponsor's exemptions before winning the US Amateur. In the meantime though, he was winning a slew of junior golf events.
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Old October 9th, 2006, 01:57 PM
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obviously, these sponsors were right all along about Tiger and apparently are hoping lightning will strike twice with Wie, who, other than a couple of girl amateurs titles in Hawaii, was won nothing. very unpredictable that lightning.
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Old October 9th, 2006, 01:59 PM
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The incredible thing about Tig is that even when he did become numero uno in the world, he still said he had room for improvement, and worked harder to get better. Twice so far.
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Old October 9th, 2006, 02:33 PM
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obviously, these sponsors were right all along about Tiger and apparently are hoping lightning will strike twice with Wie, who, other than a couple of girl amateurs titles in Hawaii, was won nothing. very unpredictable that lightning.
For the record, she didn't just win girls hawaii titles, she won the usga womens publinx title, and was the youngest person, male or female, to ever win a usga adult title. That title was national, not just a hawaii event.
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Old October 9th, 2006, 03:05 PM
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The incredible thing about Tig is that even when he did become numero uno in the world, he still said he had room for improvement, and worked harder to get better. Twice so far.
His sights/expectations were and continue to be the highest standard any golfer has ever set for himself. There must be something to be said for that, his discipline and his focus.

When his career is over we might be looking at a Walter Johnson-like figure. In baseball terms, that is 500 wins for a pitcher.... in Tiger terms, it might be 25-30 majors.
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Old October 9th, 2006, 03:49 PM
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For the record, she didn't just win girls hawaii titles, she won the usga womens publinx title, and was the youngest person, male or female, to ever win a usga adult title. That title was national, not just a hawaii event.
Hey Rodney, I've always thought she only won 1 title, back when she was 13. Can you correct me on this? Thanks.
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For the record, she didn't just win girls hawaii titles, she won the usga womens publinx title, and was the youngest person, male or female, to ever win a usga adult title. That title was national, not just a hawaii event.
my apologies Rodney, i overlooked that one, the site had it worded in light blue.
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Old October 9th, 2006, 04:06 PM
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my apologies Rodney, i overlooked that one, the site had it worded in light blue.
No problem, easy mistake to make.

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Hey Rodney, I've always thought she only won 1 title, back when she was 13. Can you correct me on this? Thanks.
That title was her only National title. She also won plenty of state titles in Hawaii as well.

- 2002 Hawaii State Open, Women's Division Champion (won by 13 strokes with 8-under par)
- 2002 Hawaii State Junior Golf Association’s Tournament of Champions, Champion
- 2001 Hawaii State Women’s Stroke Play Championship (one of three major tournaments in Hawaii), Youngest winner at age 11
- 2001 Jennie K. Wilson Invitational (the most prestigious women’s amateur tournament in Hawaii), Youngest winner at age 11
- 2001 Hawaii State Junior Golf Association’s Tournament of Champions, Champion
- 2000 Honolulu Mayor's Cup, Champion
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Old October 9th, 2006, 04:07 PM
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since some mud is being thrown here, let's let everyone compare apples to apples, even up to and thru age 16 and judge for them selves who deserved/ deserses sponsor exemptions.

Michells accomplishments http://golf.about.com/cs/womensgolf/a/wietimeline.htm

Tigers accomplishments http://www.tigerwoods.com/content/de...ompageid=12108
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Old October 9th, 2006, 04:20 PM
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since some mud is being thrown here, let's let everyone compare apples to apples, even up to and thru age 16 and judge for them selves who deserved/ deserses sponsor exemptions.

Michells accomplishments http://golf.about.com/cs/womensgolf/a/wietimeline.htm

Tigers accomplishments http://www.tigerwoods.com/content/de...ompageid=12108
That is Tiger's official record in one link, and then the other link is just where someone who has gallently put together some of Wie's stats, but they are missing a fair bit, unlike in Tiger's stats.

From Tiger's resume he didn't win much up to 15, then he won a fair few titles but nearly all of them were local events. The Junior Amateurs at 15 and 16 were by far his best achievements.

Most people probably agree that, Tiger went down the route of beating his peers. Michelle went down the route of playing against the best competition available.
Tiger's route worked. Time will tell how Michelle gets on, but she has done well so far.
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That is Tiger's official record in one link, and then the other link is just where someone who has gallently put together some of Wie's stats, but they are missing a fair bit, unlike in Tiger's stats.

From Tiger's resume he didn't win much up to 15, then he won a fair few titles but nearly all of them were local events. The Junior Amateurs at 15 and 16 were by far his best achievements.

Most people probably agree that, Tiger went down the route of beating his peers. Michelle went down the route of playing against the best competition available.
Tiger's route worked. Time will tell how Michelle gets on, but she has done well so far.
That was the best i could find on Michelle at the time, (would have liked to have found better). i really hope that she wins title after title, but i also hope that she doesn't, one day, look back at her life and regret not having a normal teenhood, college experiences, etc. that she could have had (to an extent).
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