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Old October 27th, 2006, 05:58 PM
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Doping and Golf

The following is a bit of not so recent news, but I haven't seen it discussed here yet, and it has been in the back of my mind for a while now.

Shaun Micheel has recently regained his old form, with the help of a testosterone medication, after he was diagnosed as having very low testosterone.

http://www.golfdigest.com/features/i...8callahan.html

The problem with this? Testosterone is a performance enhancing drug, that is misused and banned in other sports. For example, the original winner(?) of this year's Tour de France cycling race, was stripped of his title after too much testosterone was detected in his samples.

What does, should this mean? As I understand the rules of the Pro Golf Tours, there are no bans or checks on drugs. Please correct me if I am wrong in this. So Shaun, and anyone else using testosterone medications are presumably tolerated. In Shaun's case, it might seem unfair to fault him for doing so, but his recent success might encourage other players to 'experiment'.

My question: Has golf ever had a doping-scandal? Is (any form of) doping banned from the Pro Tours, or is it not? Should it be? Are there any drugs, other doping methods that actually would help golfers?
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Old October 27th, 2006, 06:18 PM
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if there ever was one i never heard about it, you bring up a good point though.
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Old October 27th, 2006, 06:40 PM
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dont really help you in golf, if u gotta bad swing, u can bigger then marlon brando was and stink
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Old October 27th, 2006, 06:43 PM
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Well, then lets say doping among pros, it could give them some extra yardages, i mean to the weekend player, it wouldnt make that much difference, well not enough to fork out the money but for pros, it could help in some ways i guess
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Old October 27th, 2006, 11:43 PM
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There's no policy, nor should every player have to submit to testing, what a hassle. The best players make enough money to abuse non-detectible enhancements anyways. Let them dope it out and may the best man win.
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Old October 27th, 2006, 11:49 PM
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Shaun is using testerone replacement therapy. There is nothing wrong with this. It will do nothing for him but raise his test levels to that of a "normal" man his age. It might make him feel a little better and want to have sex a little more, but it won't make him hit the ball thirty yards longer, or look like he should be in the Mr. Olympia.
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Old October 28th, 2006, 04:11 AM
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Maybe there is hope for my game after all!?!?!?
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Old October 28th, 2006, 08:45 AM
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Shaun is using testerone replacement therapy. There is nothing wrong with this. It will do nothing for him but raise his test levels to that of a "normal" man his age. It might make him feel a little better and want to have sex a little more, but it won't make him hit the ball thirty yards longer, or look like he should be in the Mr. Olympia.
If testosterone use were illegal there might be a problem for Shaun. It would put him in a similar position as Casey Martin (the guy who needed a cart due to problems with his leg).
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Old October 28th, 2006, 10:56 AM
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If testosterone use were illegal there might be a problem for Shaun. It would put him in a similar position as Casey Martin (the guy who needed a cart due to problems with his leg).

I don't see how, as long as he was using therapeutic doses.
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Old October 28th, 2006, 11:13 AM
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I can't see much advantage in golfers using conventional PEDs like steroids & HGH. Additional muscle mass would be just as likely to hurt ones game as help it, IMO. BTW, taking testosterone supplements (or whatever the term for it would be) to bring your level within a normal range wouldn't be cheating would it ? Isn't getting an abnormally high testosterone reading how they catch guys ? Also isn't cortisone a steroid and don't athletes commonly get cortisone shots for theraputic purposes ? I agree with Body Visions... I don't see the problem in the case of Micheel. I did see this subject, though, explored a few years back in one of the golf mags. I believe there was some suspicion regarding guys using beta blockers and other substances to steady and calm them during competitions.
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Old October 28th, 2006, 11:59 AM
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There was talk of players using beta blockers to calm nerves a few years ago but I don’t think any thing ever came of it.
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Old October 28th, 2006, 01:53 PM
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I guess that golf isnt who can hit the ball the furthest, alot of it is skill, wich isnt down to drugs but sheer hard work and talent.
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Old October 28th, 2006, 05:28 PM
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There was talk of players using beta blockers to calm nerves a few years ago but I don’t think any thing ever came of it.
.....I seem to remember from my drinking days, that a double scotch could also help calm the nerves...I'll bet it still tastes better than "beta blockers"....not illegal either...
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Old October 29th, 2006, 10:22 AM
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I can't see much advantage in golfers using conventional PEDs like steroids & HGH. Additional muscle mass would be just as likely to hurt ones game as help it, IMO. BTW, taking testosterone supplements (or whatever the term for it would be) to bring your level within a normal range wouldn't be cheating would it ? Isn't getting an abnormally high testosterone reading how they catch guys ? Also isn't cortisone a steroid and don't athletes commonly get cortisone shots for theraputic purposes ? I agree with Body Visions... I don't see the problem in the case of Micheel. I did see this subject, though, explored a few years back in one of the golf mags. I believe there was some suspicion regarding guys using beta blockers and other substances to steady and calm them during competitions.
Cortisone is a non-anabolic steroid. It is part of a group of steroids used to treat injuries, like bursitis, tendinitis, and general swelling to tendons, joints, and soft tissue injuries. They do not have the same muscle building properties as anabolic steroids.

The use of anabolic steroids, while adding to the strength of a golfer by adding mass, could cause a loss in flexibility, and aggressive tendencies, hurt the golfer in the short game.

The beta blockers can "enhance your calm" but it could have adverse affects elsewhere in the game..

Golf is a sport that requires a wide range of skills. I doubt you would see a steroid or non-recreational drug issue with golfers, because drugs generally enhance one facet like strength.

Now if they were to test for recreational drug use...
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Old October 29th, 2006, 11:05 AM
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Also isn't cortisone a steroid and don't athletes commonly get cortisone shots for theraputic purposes ?
Cholesterol is a steroid too, as is Vitamin D...better lay off that sausage, egg and milk breakfast then.
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