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Mizuno,

So, do you agree that steroids could benefit a golfer's performance?

HGH will make you stronger and more muscular with little or no exercise. The problem is Player lumped creatine, HGH and steriods together. Creatine is not steroids it helps with energy during power lifting. Products that help you build up more of your own growth hormone like L-Arginine are OK. If you are taking HGH harvested from others that is a no-no.

I hope they don't ban Motrin I can't play without it. One of the problems of aging I have played 3 times this week and I hurt all over even my fingers hurt lol.

COULD yes. But only with the correct exercise routine. Otherwise it will be highly counter productive.

HGH will also lengthen your bones over time causing serious problems. That being said, it is a great substance that has had tremendous medicinal effect for people with certain medical problems. I will always have a small disdain for HGH due to the fact it is often abused and carries with it some of the more serious side effects IF abused.

Your comment on creatine is often shared by many. However, it is incorrect. Creatine helps with the rebuilding and recovery process often taking place while you sleep. The "energy" people claim they feel is most always either a placebo effect OR the tremendous amount of sugar content the is found in most creatine supplements. A side note. Creatine, like any other substance, can be abused. Mostly this is found in high school aged to college ages males.

Lastly. You are very correct about Player lumping all supplements, legal and illegal, into one grouping. He, like many others, seems to have no clue about the supplementation world.

L-Glutamine will also help with recovery and is much safer than Creatine.

This might be a good reason to forbid steroids. Things as innocent as balls not meeting certain weight range or shafts over certain length are forbidden because they may be an advantage. The idea is to limit external help, so players rely as much as possible on their skills and efforts.

HGH has also linked to improved vision which would greatly help your hand-eye coordination. Many baseball players that have used it claim that they are able to see the seams on a baseball

Ok here is my two cents worth on this...
Gary Player should be willing to provide the names to the PGA and not the media, if in fact he has the names, so that the PGA can take the necessary steps to look into the accusations. He also should have taken it to the PGA and the R&A and not the media. This would give the proffesional organizations the chance once again to look into the claims.

The LPGA IS instituting a drug testing policy for 2008, and I have yet to hear any accusations made against the ladies. If I am wrong on this than please feel free to correct me. They have listed on their website the drugs they are testing for, the reason they are testing for them, and are offering classes on the testing procedure.

IMHO this is a good move for two reasons: 1. if there is a drug problem they can adress it and fix it before it becomes a worse problem: 2 If there is not a drug problem then they have proven it to the world and will be able to avoid the accusations.

I don't think steroids are that big a deal. Yeah, they will make you stronger if you workout but they will do absolutely nothing for putting and touch on short shots around the green where scoring takes place. On the other hand, beta blockers and ADD drugs like adarol (SP??) will increase performance. My kid is borderline ADD and gets bored easily when practicing. She took adarol for a while and remarked how she can practice for hours and hours and not lose interest when she takes it. I cut that off quickly because she liked it too much and didn't want her to get hooked! Beta blockers tend to steady the nerves so the immediate effect is readily apparent in big tournaments. I can't imagine pot doing any player any good so who cares if they smoke. Alcohol is notoriously prevalent in golf. I have seen guys putt better after a few drinks although there is a fine line between "loose" and "sloppy." Gary Player likes to shoot his mouth off and has no credibility on this subject.

My .02, anyone who lumps creatine in with steroids is clearly showing their ignorance. He spoke to a couple of guys who confessed? Confessed to what? "Yeah, Gary, I've taken creatine and even the odd shot of Muscle Milk...".

Would a steroid/hgh-supported workout program enhance players strength? Yes, of course it would. Could this, then, provide a platform for improved play? Yes, it could. However, would the advantage be worth the potential repercussions? I'd say not.

Look at the guys on Tour - NONE of them has a physique which cannot very easily be gotten through hard work and diet, so to look at a couple of "built" guys out there and start spouting about a steroid abuse problem is ridiculous.

I wouldn't be totally shocked to find out that a couple of Grail-chasers out there had dabbled in steriods, but bulk does not directly translate into useable power, in golf, like it would in other sports, so I cannot see this being a real big issue in golf.

Honestly, who on tour looks like a roid monster?? As cut as Tiger is, He doesn't look like Barry Bonds, or Mark McGuire. Can't even say that any one else on tour is as cut as Tiger.

Wait, what about Bubba Watson, he's the longest driver right now...right? Angel Cabrerra was knocking some long ones out there, too.

Show me studies that support this. Show me studies where the participants take reasonable amounts of creatine (<10g/day) and experience detrimental side effects.

People feed this line of "creatine is possibly dangerous, even when taken as recommended" and nothing to my knowledge has ever supported this, and I read about supplements, lifting, etc. daily.

I see some of my 2-cents have been erased from this thread.

I know next to nothing about the technical aspects - I would not even know where to start were I to want to take enhancing drugs! I was amused by the response Ernie Els made when questioned by BBC TV after one of his rounds - he basically said that this was the first he had heard about it and he had no idea where player got his info. Somewhere, someone is not telling the whole truth. Els is much more in touch with the modern players than Player is - so how come player is claiming to know so much more?

Your 2 cents were inflammatory and almost got you banned...I'd let it go if I were you.

Shade

You can't always tell by changes in body type. Rafael Palmeiro is a perfect example of this.