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Old September 15th, 2007, 12:27 AM
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Re: Steve Williams - etiquette

If that is true, that's not good etiquette for Steve to shake hands before Tiger. Isn't he supposed to put back the pin anyway?
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Old September 15th, 2007, 04:44 PM
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Re: Steve Williams - etiquette

It there a book on golf etiquette that suggests or instructs a caddy to wait until after the players have exchanged handshakes? What if the player is putting the putter back in the bag? Or completing the scorecard? Is the caddy supposed to stand around and continue waiting? What if Steve doesn't have the flag and the other caddy does? Should he fight for it what the players are shaking hands?
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Old September 15th, 2007, 08:13 PM
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Re: Steve Williams - etiquette

I suspect its not true. Tiger did shake hands with Woody before Steve did. At least in todays round.
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Old September 15th, 2007, 08:45 PM
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I suspect its not true. Tiger did shake hands with Woody before Steve did. At least in todays round.
I noticed that too... Steve must read this forum!!
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Old September 15th, 2007, 08:49 PM
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It there a book on golf etiquette that suggests or instructs a caddy to wait until after the players have exchanged handshakes?
It's in the same book that says you take off your cap to shake hands after a round, and don't walk in other player's "through lines" on the green. The book does not exist, but the etiquette does.
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Old September 16th, 2007, 10:55 PM
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Re: Steve Williams - etiquette

what's with taking off hat anyway? To me it's like taking off shoes before shaking hands, totally irrelevant.
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Old September 16th, 2007, 11:02 PM
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what's with taking off hat anyway? To me it's like taking off shoes before shaking hands, totally irrelevant.
Just did a quick search and found this...

It's a matter of history..
The "tipping" or removal of a hat is said to have originated from the same place as the military salute. Knights would lift the visor (face guard) on their helm, showing their face as a sign of respect and their empty hand as an indication they meant no harm. This tradition evolved into the modern military salute. Similarly, the removal of a helm (helmet) or other headgear indoors and as a sign of respect or reverence is said to have originated before the Dark Ages. This tradition was carried on throughout the centuries by men of arms (soldiers) and nobility, as well as their staff, servants and slaves. After the Dark Ages, manners and etiquette grew to become an essential part of everyday life and the conventions of hat etiquette became ingrained in civilized culture.

The Rules..
There are two degrees of politeness demonstrated by a gentleman wearing a hat:
1.Lifting or tipping it, which you generally do for strangers.
2.Taking it off, which you generally do for friends (or in some cases, as a sign of patriotism or reverence).
Both are done as a sign of respect toward the other and dignity toward oneself.
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Old September 17th, 2007, 07:09 AM
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Re: Steve Williams - etiquette

I notice most golfers take their hat off when they shake hands.
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Old September 17th, 2007, 01:26 PM
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I notice most golfers take their hat off when they shake hands.
I notice that too, but thought that it was cause their head is too hot and sweaty after playing 18 holes in the sun. I take off my cap in the middle of the round, let it air dry and put it back on the next hole.
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Re: Steve Williams - etiquette

Well I guess Stevie is laughing all the way to the bank after the weekend. I wonder whether the 8%-10% commission will kick in with Tigers $10m Fedex windfall. He may be a bit of a ****** but he is also a very wealthy ****** !!
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Re: Steve Williams - etiquette

I see my post from last night was mysteriously deleted from this thread.
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I see my post from last night was mysteriously deleted from this thread.
Another one of your contributions from yesterday is missing from the forum also: Perhaps this link will sove the mystery:

http://www.golfrewind.com/faq.php?fa...faq_site_rules
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Old September 17th, 2007, 09:32 PM
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Re: Steve Williams - etiquette

That's silly. I didn't use profanity or disrespect anyone. Censorship is fine, but this site is stricter than sunday school.

Well, I shall try to use humor that's more widely acceptable. I'll imagine I'm addressing a convent from now on.
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Another one of your contributions from yesterday is missing from the forum also: Perhaps this link will sove the mystery:

http://www.golfrewind.com/faq.php?fa...faq_site_rules
I did laugh at the sarcasm. I appreciate all types of humor.
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Re: Steve Williams - etiquette

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Just did a quick search and found this...

It's a matter of history..
The "tipping" or removal of a hat is said to have originated from the same place as the military salute. Knights would lift the visor (face guard) on their helm, showing their face as a sign of respect and their empty hand as an indication they meant no harm. This tradition evolved into the modern military salute. Similarly, the removal of a helm (helmet) or other headgear indoors and as a sign of respect or reverence is said to have originated before the Dark Ages. This tradition was carried on throughout the centuries by men of arms (soldiers) and nobility, as well as their staff, servants and slaves. After the Dark Ages, manners and etiquette grew to become an essential part of everyday life and the conventions of hat etiquette became ingrained in civilized culture.

The Rules..
There are two degrees of politeness demonstrated by a gentleman wearing a hat:
1.Lifting or tipping it, which you generally do for strangers.
2.Taking it off, which you generally do for friends (or in some cases, as a sign of patriotism or reverence).
Both are done as a sign of respect toward the other and dignity toward oneself.
Thanks for the outstanding piece of research and advice. Should also be posted at all restraunts and other places where men fail to observe basic etiquette and leave their baseball caps on during meals etc. Caps and hats should be reomoved indoors, period. (except for religious garments).
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