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I definitely agree with the importance of showing respect for people. I just think there are better or more valuable ways to do it. I just think that judging someone because they do not follow "tradition" is worse than not following tradition. If I slap older people and cuss my mother or steal from you or cheat then you have good reason to make judgement. If I do not remove my hat you have no reason to make assumptions about me. And the truth of the matter is that I dont even care. If you assume things about a person over something just because you do it and they do not shame on you.

It's sign of the times. Look around. Most men who wear hats don't take them off when they come inside. Don't take them off in the presence of a woman. Don't take them off when they sit down to eat dinner. Hat etiquette is no more. Most people even wear their hats backwards and don't even know what the bill was designed to do. Maybe they are all wanna-be baseball catchers.

Does anyone here who dont grasp/care about the concept of removing their cap while, say, eating at a restaurant or at a family reuinion or anything, also wear the hat in say, a wedding ? Or at a funeral ? I mean, it is only a hat, to either hide a bad hairdo, or no hair or whatever.

I am sure the answer is 100% no, but why would it be? What is wrong with wearing a cap in a funeal for example? Its your head afterall! :)


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- Stianvm, norwegian who always takes of the cap even when eating a tuesday night dinner with the family

Based on a persons upbringing, ofcourse they have reason to make assumptions about you, wrongly or rightly.

They could think you didnt know, or based on their way of life, tradition and all, it would show lack of respect. Its all boiling down to cultural differences.

English folks would most definitely frown upon someone not taking of the cap in a tee party for instance.

I don't have a cap that goes with my suit.

Like I said before, the hat off at dinner time is fading away. Soon it will be no more. And, you know what, society in general will be no worse off. I'm all for respect, but times change.

I have to say that there is a big difference between a formal event like a funeral or wedding than a casual Friday night dinner with the family. I wonder how many of you are truly bothered by someone wearing a hat in a restaraunt. I do not concern myself with the fashion choices of strangers enough to be upset over a hat.

I think I'm more amazed of the fact this thread started off with a caddie shaking hands to the proper etiquette of how, where, and not where, to wear or remove a hat.

conflict.....its good for the ratings!

It is my head, but it is their place. If I don't like the rules I can leave. And if a fancy restaurant has a dress code, suit, tie, dress shoes and no hat, I can dress appropriately, or I can choose not to come. But if a restaurant does not have a rule, it's nobody's else business to care. I could be wearing shorts and sandals and tshirt for all anybody care.

I guess it comes down to the owner/ proprietor of the place what rules they want to set.

In most Asian countries, or households, you take off your shoes/ sandals before you enter the house, as not to dirty the house. This rule is very simple and makes sense. And it's surprising that so many people in the west that do not respect this.

I had my carpet soiled several times due to delivery people not taking off their shoes when the apartment manager opened the door for delivery or repair man. This is a sign of total disrespect.

Hi all from New Zealand (the home of Steve Williams) ... just read thru this thread and had to laugh ... as a Military man (20 years in RNZAF as of tomorrow) I am used to "doffing" my hat when inside a building or dining hall - it is part of our "tradition" and is also a sign of respect ... I am 38 and have always been taught to hold the door open for ladies, call people "Sir" & "Ma'am", etc.

Dblain - you say you don't necessarily follow tradition - do you celebrate July 4th? or Thanksgiving? are these not based on Americas proud traditions? I agree that society is changing and the "young'uns" don't always like to follow the rules but does that mean they shouldn't have to follow tradition as well? The removing of headress inside is a matter of respect as much as of etiquette and rather than being scorned it should be instilled in the youth of today - setting standards of decency gives everyone an idea of what is expected of them ... do we want to be a society of degenerates? (you give up one tradition or standard and very soon the house of cards will tumble).

Enough of that ... Steve Williams .... I see mentioned on this thread that he is full of himself, etc - is it not true that to be great in anything you do you have to have a certain amount of self-confidence? (quite often masquerades as arrogance) - think about the greatest sportsmen of all time and you will see it is true (Mr Ali anyone?) - SW is really a sportsman himself and has been at the top of his game for a very, very long time ... as for who is allowed to shake hands first - if it was a foursomes match would it be expected that the senior player be allowed to shake hands first??

Oh, man... I thought this stupid thread died a while ago. Oh wait, so did the "removing of the hat at dinner" tradition (Here in the States, anyway).

And, since we don't take our hats off at dinner, we'll soon be drinking beer. Then we'll be looking at nudie magazines, maybe even listening to loud music. Then it's straight to robbing old ladies and shooting up heroine on the way to the strip club to watch a midget show. Yes, we'll all be degenerates in no time at all.

You just wish they would die...in reality, both are alive and well.

Possibly too late for some of "us" Threadjacker's anonymous..."I" still take my hat off to eat. Who is this "we" you purport to represent? Do they share your sarcastic extremism/impudence?

Shade

At least you're traditionalist about some things...chauvinism/misogyny have been around for a long time...http://www.golfrewind.com/buy-sell-g...tml#post382494

Shade

At least there are still a few knights in shining armor like Shade around to keep the rest of us headed towards the stright and narrow.

Condemn me as you will, though may I quote, "Do not flame, bait, insult or otherwise be rude to a fellow Golf Rewind member."

Using the terms "chauvinism, misogyny, sarcastic extremism, impudence" to describe me insults me., thus you are violating your own rules.