If Tiger is clean, 'what does it matter what the rest of them are on?'
I love that quote!
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If Tiger is clean, 'what does it matter what the rest of them are on?'
The PGA Tour announced Tuesday that its drug-testing program would begin in July.
No need to rush. Somebody's built a better mousetrap already.
His name is George O'Grady, he's chief executive of the European Tour and during a lighthearted moment at the Presidents Cup last month, he pointed out there was only one golfer who really needed to be tested: Tiger Woods.
"If he's clean," O'Grady said with flawless logic, "what does it matter what the rest of them are on?" ............
With drug-testing policies in place on all major golf tours now, does anyone think any tour-players will get caught next year?
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I haven't seen the list of banned substances yet. I wonder if there are any players who are using something now that will become 'illegal'. Shaun Micheel's testosterone treatments come to mind...
Re: If Tiger is clean, 'what does it matter what the rest of them are on?'
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Originally Posted by Diane
Perhaps, but the testing should really be done year round or what's the point.
Too much trouble, I guess. The golf season is quite long though.
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Originally Posted by Diane
On a separate note - If golf is a game of honor, doesn't this testing go against everything the golf gods hold near and dear?
The golf gods may be delighted they get some help. Professional golfers make a lot of money, that most of them couldn't make any other way. It will be interesting to see how many tour players get shown up. A lot of people doubt that performance enhancing drugs are a problem on the tours: I guess we will start to find out whether or not that is valid soon.
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Originally Posted by straightshooter
A lot of people doubt that performance enhancing drugs are a problem on the tours: I guess we will start to find out whether or not that is valid soon.
Gary Player didn't seem to have any doubts with his comments about knowing players who were "juicing".
The policy is faulty - only 10 classes of banned drugs are included and everything else is vague. Aside from steroids, do any of the others on the list give anyone an actual advantage? The testing isn't going to include steroid creams or HGH and they won't bulk up from these so there won't be any visible signs.
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Originally Posted by straightshooter
I haven't seen the list of banned substances yet. I wonder if there are any players who are using something now that will become 'illegal'. Shaun Micheel's testosterone treatments come to mind...
Here's a link to the LPGA's list - I believe they will start testing first. LPGA.com
So, any women with hypertension or breast cancer wouldn't be able to play. It's doubtful they would anyway, but some of this is ridiculous.
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I think that someone will get caught. Gary Player was adamant that drugs are being used why bring all that attention on yourself if its a lie? There will be some banned substances that you find in pain killers or cold and flu remedies,so someone will fall fowl. I agree with diane on the issue of testing all year if they dont then the system is still iopen to abuse.
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something was done like this at my high school the day before state championships for football.... it took one kid 2 hours to pee... btw they tested for EVERYTHING including ingredient in tylenol and cold medicine
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Originally Posted by shadyb421
something was done like this at my high school the day before state championships for football.... it took one kid 2 hours to pee... btw they tested for EVERYTHING including ingredient in tylenol and cold medicine
Shady - my guess is that they were checking for pseudoephedrine which has stimulant properties and is also used in making crystal meth. That's why most cold medications are no longer sold OTC in pharmacies and stores like Target.
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Originally Posted by nickolas_j_t
i dont think anyone in PGA tour is on anything. I don't think this affects anyone.
Forgive me if it seems like I am calling you out, here, but I think that this is an awfully naive view of the current state of affairs.
Are you telling me that there isn't some player out there who is thinking that if they could just hit drives 20 yards further, they could make it through Q-School? Or stay in the top 125 in the money list to keep their card? I agree it is probably not any of the top players, I suspect they have too much to lose if their reputations became tarnished. But, Joe Nobody deep in the middle of the money list probably has almost nothing to lose and a lot to gain by using. 125th on the PGA TOUR money list and being in the middle of the pack of the Nationwide tour is a significant amount of money.
And besides, if they don't test, it is an implicit OK from the tours to use. And that isn't right in any way, shape or form.
Sure, it's nice to invoke the old sayings about how golf is a gentleman's game, and they call penalties on themselves, etc., etc. If mankind was completely honorable at all times, I could agree with you. But, I am sorry, one does not become more honorable just because you are playing golf. And, if you don't think that someone out there is seeking an edge however they can, I think that you are pretty naive about the current state of mankind. With the amount of money available just to play a game, and no testing until recently -- and for that matter a large amount of performance enhancers undetectable -- there are going to be some players using. Cheaters cross all lines, and as long as there is significant amounts of money on the line, there will be cheaters in golf, too.
George O'Grady's quote is funny -- and it probably reflects the attitude of the average casual fan -- but, it does matter to other people too. Look, if someone made it through Q-School using performance enhancers taking that last spot that would have been yours, don't you think that you'd care about that? I know I sure would. Testing has to be performed at all levels.
December 6th, 2007, 07:57 PM
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