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Old March 27th, 2008, 10:06 AM
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The photographer is an idiot and should be escorted out of the course.

TW must learn to control this reaction. He has said things out loud on golf courses during tourneys that should not be said. If anything, it seems to have gotten worse in recent years.

I can never remember Jack losing his mouth like TW has. It's an unfair comparison, and I would agree TW is on TV cameras more than Jack ever was, but TW must be the almost perfect example for all the fans that idolize him. This comes with the territory and he must accept it and improve his demeanor in front of fans.

Off the subject, but I would expect Tiger to smile more, even when he is not winning the tournament. Experience should have taught him this. I remember Jack used to visit the TV booth after many a round that was less than great.
Agreed. Instead of Tiger using foul language he could just boycott a couple of events and that would get everyone's attention because Tiger is the big money and viewing draw. Then tour officials would be more likely to rigorously enforce the rules the gallery and media are supposed to follow.
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Old March 27th, 2008, 11:25 AM
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Agreed. Instead of Tiger using foul language he could just boycott a couple of events and that would get everyone's attention because Tiger is the big money and viewing draw. Then tour officials would be more likely to rigorously enforce the rules the gallery and media are supposed to follow.
...or he could just deal with it...

...the price of fame...
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Old March 27th, 2008, 11:36 AM
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I can never remember Jack losing his mouth like TW has. It's an unfair comparison, and I would agree TW is on TV cameras more than Jack ever was, but TW must be the almost perfect example for all the fans that idolize him. This comes with the territory and he must accept it and improve his demeanor in front of fans.
Ideally the world's #1, now TW, would be the perfect example / rolemodel for anyone watching him..... But I personally don't think that he must be the perfect example / rolemodel. When did he sign up for that?
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Old March 27th, 2008, 06:13 PM
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Ideally the world's #1, now TW, would be the perfect example / rolemodel for anyone watching him..... But I personally don't think that he must be the perfect example / rolemodel. When did he sign up for that?
Being the official spokesman for Gatorade, Nike Golf, Buick, TW Foundation, etc. Being the unofficial spokesman for Golf forces someone to be the role model. It is part of modern day life. He is a recognized leader and may be the most widely known athlete in the world. He signed up for it, just by being the golfer, company spokesman, media presence that he is. You don't see George Bush Sr. cursing people as he walks in public. It comes with the fame that he/she had/have.

You and Charles Barkley can argue forever on this, but it is, what it is. He must learn to be an example to the millions of people that look up to him and look for his leadership. It does not mean he has to be perfect, just very good.
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Old March 27th, 2008, 08:01 PM
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Being the official spokesman for Gatorade, Nike Golf, Buick, TW Foundation, etc. Being the unofficial spokesman for Golf forces someone to be the role model. It is part of modern day life. He is a recognized leader and may be the most widely known athlete in the world. He signed up for it, just by being the golfer, company spokesman, media presence that he is. You don't see George Bush Sr. cursing people as he walks in public. It comes with the fame that he/she had/have.
Those are great points. He is mostly shooting himself in the foot though, if he is. I.e., it would be fair enough if other companies were hesitant signing him up as their spokesman, for example if they felt club-slamming didn't fit with their image. And perhaps he might lose credibility as a 'recognized leader', and people would look elsewhere for a role model. Personally, I cannot say that I am disappointed in him though, because I do not expect him to be a role model.
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Old March 28th, 2008, 06:33 AM
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From watching the telecast, all I heard Tiger say was "Ohhh, not in my swing!" which he began to say right around impact. I didn't hear him say anything else, nor did his lips move without hearing what he was saying. When the camera cut off, perhaps he said something else.

The interesting thing is that as lack-luster as his Saturday round was and even with some really cruddy shots on Sunday, he finished just 2 strokes back. A little keener and his streak would still be alive.
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You don't see George Bush Sr. cursing people as he walks in public. It comes with the fame that he/she had/have.
What is your response to the current vice president dropping an F-bomb on the floor of the US Congress?
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Old March 28th, 2008, 07:50 PM
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I dont care what your personality is.

If your playing for millions of dollars, i believe most of you who said you wouldnt freak out, would.


sure he doesnt need the money, but its for the records..
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Old March 28th, 2008, 10:15 PM
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What is your response to the current vice president dropping an F-bomb on the floor of the US Congress?
You are missing the point. There are plenty of famous classy people who "***** up" and let out a curse. I'm not saying Cheney is even classy, and Bush Sr even threw up on a foreign leader once. However, this is certainly not the first time that Tiger loses his cool and lets his mouth come out. Tiger is our generation's Arnold Palmer. He needs to control his mouth better in front of the TV cameras and adoring fans.

He has to learn to stay competitive, but keep his anger more controlled. He is now in his 30's and has gone through 10+ years of intense scrutiny. He knows better. It is unfair, but he is held to a higher standard.
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You are missing the point. There are plenty of famous classy people who "***** up" and let out a curse. I'm not saying Cheney is even classy, and Bush Sr even threw up on a foreign leader once. However, this is certainly not the first time that Tiger loses his cool and lets his mouth come out. Tiger is our generation's Arnold Palmer. He needs to control his mouth better in front of the TV cameras and adoring fans.

He has to learn to stay competitive, but keep his anger more controlled. He is now in his 30's and has gone through 10+ years of intense scrutiny. He knows better. It is unfair, but he is held to a higher standard.
I disagree with him being held to a higher standard in respect to morality. His golf yes, but not morality issues. He's a competitive person just like many of us and most all the other pros. I can't remember seeing one pro I haven't seen curse. Maybe some don't swing their clubs at the ground or throw them at a bag or whatever someone thinks might be poor manners but I've seen Jack toss clubs angrily and swear as I've seen with most others. Tiger just has the camera on him most of the time. I don't mind him showing competitive fire because he is human.
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Old March 29th, 2008, 11:40 AM
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I disagree with him being held to a higher standard in respect to morality. His golf yes, but not morality issues. He's a competitive person just like many of us and most all the other pros. I can't remember seeing one pro I haven't seen curse. Maybe some don't swing their clubs at the ground or throw them at a bag or whatever someone thinks might be poor manners but I've seen Jack toss clubs angrily and swear as I've seen with most others. Tiger just has the camera on him most of the time. I don't mind him showing competitive fire because he is human.
Based on your comment, you're obviously not a father with a young son watching him curse. When I am around my son doing anything, I make sure to be a good example.

It's also disrespectful to everyone around you when you curse. You are saying it is alright for Tiger to be disrespectful of the fans and parents and fellow competitors, because he is trying to win a tournament. Where does that end?

He can certainly show anger, but does not need to let the f-bombs go anytime he hears something in his downswing. Young people are very impressionable today from people they look up to and watch on tv. I would hate to see the impressionable fans start imitating his anger.
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Based on your comment, you're obviously not a father with a young son watching him curse. When I am around my son doing anything, I make sure to be a good example.

It's also disrespectful to everyone around you when you curse. You are saying it is alright for Tiger to be disrespectful of the fans and parents and fellow competitors, because he is trying to win a tournament. Where does that end?

He can certainly show anger, but does not need to let the f-bombs go anytime he hears something in his downswing. Young people are very impressionable today from people they look up to and watch on tv. I would hate to see the impressionable fans start imitating his anger.
I have to go with CP on this...he can drop all the fbombs he wants in reference to his shots...just not in reference to his fans...if any seep through I would blame the broadcast...there are lots of ways to make sure that we don't hear that at home...but biting the hand that feeds regardless of whether it is deserved or not just isn't a good idea...
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Old March 29th, 2008, 12:46 PM
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Based on your comment, you're obviously not a father with a young son watching him curse. When I am around my son doing anything, I make sure to be a good example.

It's also disrespectful to everyone around you when you curse. You are saying it is alright for Tiger to be disrespectful of the fans and parents and fellow competitors, because he is trying to win a tournament. Where does that end?

He can certainly show anger, but does not need to let the f-bombs go anytime he hears something in his downswing. Young people are very impressionable today from people they look up to and watch on tv. I would hate to see the impressionable fans start imitating his anger.
Well quite obviously you are not in the real world either. Kid in school will hear more than Tiger says on national tv. You may set a good example and that is what you should do but you can't be realistic that the rest of the world will live by your standards. I also don't see you mentioning Phil or any of the others and I see it and hear it with most all the others as well. You can only point out to your child that is not an acceptable word or words and because others say it doesn't mean it is correct for him or they to use it. The only time it bothers me is in movies like scarface when it is repeatedly used and becomes offensive. My kids are also grown and gone from home and I also responded similar to Tiger when I failed at something I knew I was capable of but also gave them the old 'Do as I say, not do as I do" speech.
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Let's all remember that Tiger was taught to play by a Vietnam-veteran Marine. I think he should stop swearing, but it would be as hard as quitting smoking.

I bet he's tried.

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Let's all remember that Tiger was taught to play by a Vietnam-veteran( Marine.) I think he should stop swearing, but it would be as hard as quitting smoking.

I bet he's tried.

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