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Old May 12th, 2008, 09:01 PM
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I still think Goydos gave it to him
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Yup, chunked that chip on 18 really hurt his chances to end it there, was pulling for him, but I didn't mind seeing Sergio win. Man that guy plays awesome until he gets on the green.
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watching the tournament today, and the famous island green at the 17th, and the players hitting it into the water, it got me thinking. When a player hits the ball through the green and it lands in the water on the other side, where exactly does the drop occur? The ball last crossed the margin of the hazard on the other side of the hole. So does the player walk around the green, and drop it on the back side?
As an earlier poster mentioned, The Stadium course at TPC Sawgrass has a local rule to redrop from an area on left of the hazard. For the tournament, it's usually marked off 60-70 yards from the center of the green.

The 17th is a regular water hazard, marked with yellow stakes, meaning you have two basic options after hitting it into the water:
  • taking a stroke and distance penalty by playing a substitute ball from the spot at which they hit into the hazard,
  • dropping the ball on a line of sight between the hole and where the ball last crossed the margin of the hazard (no closer to the hole), at a penalty of one stroke

If it were a lateral water hazard, marked by red stakes, then you have a third option of dropping a ball within two club lengths of where the ball last crossed the margin of the hazard (no closer to the hole), at a penalty of one stroke.

There two other seldom used options: playing the ball as it lies, without grounding the club in the hazard (e.g., if the ball were partially submerged), and extending the line-of-sight to the other side of the water hazard, allowing the player to traverse the water hazard and often obtain a decent lie on the other side of the water, at a penalty of one stroke.
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Old May 19th, 2008, 06:56 PM
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As an earlier poster mentioned, The Stadium course at TPC Sawgrass has a local rule to redrop from an area on left of the hazard. For the tournament, it's usually marked off 60-70 yards from the center of the green.

The 17th is a regular water hazard, marked with yellow stakes, meaning you have two basic options after hitting it into the water:
  • taking a stroke and distance penalty by playing a substitute ball from the spot at which they hit into the hazard,
  • dropping the ball on a line of sight between the hole and where the ball last crossed the margin of the hazard (no closer to the hole), at a penalty of one stroke

If it were a lateral water hazard, marked by red stakes, then you have a third option of dropping a ball within two club lengths of where the ball last crossed the margin of the hazard (no closer to the hole), at a penalty of one stroke.

There two other seldom used options: playing the ball as it lies, without grounding the club in the hazard (e.g., if the ball were partially submerged), and extending the line-of-sight to the other side of the water hazard, allowing the player to traverse the water hazard and often obtain a decent lie on the other side of the water, at a penalty of one stroke.
yes, i am aware of all that. but let's say the drop area was not there. the ball goes over the green and falls into the water on the other side. now the point where the ball last crossed the margin of the hazard is on the back side of the green. so do you walk around the hazard and drop on the other side, so you will actually be hitting your shot to the back side of the green (opposite the tee)? i have created a makeshift website to help visualize what i am asking. would the situation be the top diagram or the bottom diagram? here's the site inthewater. The last rule, the "traverse the hazard" rule, i never understood. i wish i had a diagram to look at explaining it. where is it even listed in the rule book? i don't see it.

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