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Old July 21st, 2008, 01:45 PM
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Re: Michelle Wie Disqualified

isnt this the 2nd time that this has happened to her? rules are rules- she's a professional golfer. she gets paid to play a game, be a professional and know the rules.
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Old July 21st, 2008, 02:46 PM
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And as far as the rules are the rules and they have to be followed goes, that is all hogwash. The PGA proved that last year after Phil missed the ProAM and was still allowed to play. He was only 4 hours by car away, he could have woke up early and made it in time. I will stake half a years pay that if the same were to happen to someone like Paul Goydos, they would have told him to go home. So the rules don't get bent arguement is baloney.
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Old July 21st, 2008, 03:27 PM
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And as far as the rules are the rules and they have to be followed goes, that is all hogwash. The PGA proved that last year after Phil missed the ProAM and was still allowed to play. He was only 4 hours by car away, he could have woke up early and made it in time. I will stake half a years pay that if the same were to happen to someone like Paul Goydos, they would have told him to go home. So the rules don't get bent arguement is baloney.
You're kidding, right?
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Old July 21st, 2008, 04:09 PM
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And as far as the rules are the rules and they have to be followed goes, that is all hogwash. The PGA proved that last year after Phil missed the ProAM and was still allowed to play. He was only 4 hours by car away, he could have woke up early and made it in time. I will stake half a years pay that if the same were to happen to someone like Paul Goydos, they would have told him to go home. So the rules don't get bent arguement is baloney.
Phil fit into the rule for that so not really a good argument.. do you know how much that parking ticket for his jet would of been???

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Old July 21st, 2008, 04:57 PM
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Re: Michelle Wie Disqualified

Good one, But he could have got a rental car, a chaufer, something. Fact is he could have made it, easily but sine he is Phil he didn't have too, and because he is Phil the Tour let him play. I still stand by my bet that if it was someone who worked to keep their card every year they would have been sent packing.
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Old July 22nd, 2008, 01:40 PM
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This is rather absurd. She didn't get penalized for not signing her scorecard, for walking away and forgetting about it, but rather for walking too far before she realized it and returned. I personally think this is a ridiculous rule..
Seems like everyone else managed to sign their card in the scoring area...

But it's Michelle, so of course everyone thinks she should get a free pass.
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Old July 22nd, 2008, 01:49 PM
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Re: Michelle Wie Disqualified

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And as far as the rules are the rules and they have to be followed goes, that is all hogwash. The PGA proved that last year after Phil missed the ProAM and was still allowed to play. He was only 4 hours by car away, he could have woke up early and made it in time. I will stake half a years pay that if the same were to happen to someone like Paul Goydos, they would have told him to go home. So the rules don't get bent arguement is baloney.
Maybe you should stick with the same Tour and your argument might make sense. What happened here has nothing to do with the PGA, (aside from the fact that you even got that story entirely wrong - Phil's flight was delayed by weather).

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Old July 22nd, 2008, 02:48 PM
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Maybe you should stick with the same Tour and your argument might make sense. What happened here has nothing to do with the PGA, (aside from the fact that you even got that story entirely wrong - Phil's flight was delayed by weather).

It was a private plane, weather nixed that evening's flight, but he was a few hours drive from the destination...one that he chose not to make...


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Old July 22nd, 2008, 03:06 PM
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Maybe you should stick with the same Tour and your argument might make sense. What happened here has nothing to do with the PGA, (aside from the fact that you even got that story entirely wrong - Phil's flight was delayed by weather).

I know his flight was delayed by weather, and my arguement is the same as the pros who complained about it. Erine Els was the most vocal about it, his flight was delayed because of weather in Little Rock, he had the option of driving to Dallas which is only 4 hours away. He turned down the ride, his caddy who was with him in Little rock rode to Dallas and was there on time for the Pro-Am. Where was Phil, layed up in a hotel in Little Rock. (BTW I am a Phil fan, but that kind of rubbed me the wrong way)

If it had been anyone else, except Tiger, they would have been DQed.

And to clear the air again I am not a Wie fan, I prefer Creamer and Kerr. I just think the rule was wrong no matter what tour it occured on. The USGA and the R&A have put in place a checker that reviews your score card before you leave the tent to make sure these types of Incidents don't occur sine the Boo/Sergio incidents last year. Why not the PGA/LPGA.

I think the LPGA and Wie are both equally guilty here. Wie for forgettng to sign her card, and the LPGA for allowing her to sign it outside of 40 yards from the scoring tent and allowing her to play the next day.

On top of all of it, the LPGA is desperately trying to get a network deal where they get paid for air time, instead of as it currently stands paying for air time. No one is really interested in paying the LPGA to carry their tournaments because they don't think they will break even. You have a weekend on the LPGA at a low tier tournament where you have a good story, then they ruin it by sending the biggest reason for watching it home. Pretty bad publicity when your trying to get good publicity.

The bottom line is this sort of thing should not happen, there are scoring backs up out the wazzoo. 20+ years ago it was understandable, cheating could occur while scoring. Today with every shot measured and counted, lasered and radared, the last thing a player should worry about is getting DQed because the messed up their math or forgot to sign their card.

I bet if it was Tiger Woods in the same situation, we would never hear about it. If the PGA DQed him, Tim Finchem would get death threats.
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Old July 22nd, 2008, 07:15 PM
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Re: Michelle Wie Disqualified

Keepin' score is part of the game...Tiger won't be in that situation because he knows how to keep score. Suggesting that the player not keep score sounds a little odd to me.

I think that the top guns get preferred treatment from time to time, sometimes to the point of bending the rules, and I think Ms. Wie has enjoyed her share in the past...but after a while you're expected to know and follow the current and valid rules. That goes for everyone, even Tiger and Phil...you can only get away with so much, even as a superstar.

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Old July 22nd, 2008, 08:27 PM
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Re: Michelle Wie Disqualified

I am not saying they should not keep score, I am saying there is enough back ups in place for a scoring official to look at the card and then tell the player. Player so and so you signed your card but there is something wrong with you score on hole such and such lets review this and fix it.
The alternative is oops you messed up your math, see you next week. Or Boo messed up your math, He plays on you go home.

Or having a checker to review the card and go Okay score looks good , it is signed, your free to go have a good evening player X, or oops you missed your signature could you please sign this, thanks have a good evening player X.

It dosen't seem that hard, the USGA and the R&A are doing it now and they love to make the simplest of task impossible, so why can the PGA and LPGA do the same.
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Old July 22nd, 2008, 11:24 PM
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Re: Michelle Wie Disqualified

Robert de Vicenzo did it years ago, so guess it can happen to even to tour veterans.
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Old July 23rd, 2008, 07:16 AM
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Re: Michelle Wie Disqualified

There are two things here.
One, it is the PLAYERS responsibility for correctly completed Scorecards and no one else. That is from Top to Bottom, Boys and Girls.
Two, she "posted" her unsigned card and left. No Official should then chase after her, informing her of a mistake, all mistakes should be rectified before "posting". The fact that things happened this way led to the delay in DQ.

"Did you know Michelle Wie forgot to sign her Card yesterday, I had to run after her and get her to sign it".
OOPS!!!!!!!!!
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Old July 23rd, 2008, 10:48 AM
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Re: Michelle Wie Disqualified

Copied this from Average Golfer Website, thought it made a good point.

USGA rule 6-6b: After completion of the round, the competitor should check his score for each hole and settle any doubtful points with the Committee. He must ensure that the marker or markers have signed the score card, sign the score card himself and return it to the Committee as soon as possible.

LPGA rule 6-6: A player is deemed to have returned her score card to the Committee when she leaves the roped area of the scoring tent or leaves the scoring trailer.

She adhered to the letter of the USGA rule. She signed and returned her scorecard "as soon as possible." She violated the LPGA rule, (policy?), but certainly not by intent. I didn't realize the LPGA could trump the USGA and R&A when it came to the rules of the game. I learn something every day. The "roped area" or "scoring tent/trailer" should be changed immediately. Give them a trailer with just the player, their caddie, and tournament officials. No volunteers involved in officiating a professional tournament. No knock on volunteers, it's just they aren't experienced enough to be in the middle of such crucial matters. Furthermore, a "scoring tent" or "roped off area" is, or could be, flooded with photographers, fans, reporters, and who knows else. This creates a sea of confusion, multiplied when a player with Wie's interest level finishes a round
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Old July 23rd, 2008, 02:33 PM
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Re: Michelle Wie Disqualified

Yes, she messed up on her clerical duties and it cost her. Shame on her and her caddie. I'm sure the LPGA hated that this incident happened. Like her or not, she draws spectators and airtime just like John Daly, and that can be good for golf.
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