I don't think Donna was implying anything to that degree by her post uc8u, and if you think she did, do you not think it would be better to ask her for an apology rather than shout your mouth off at her?
I see no posts here where you were specifically referred to. I can understand your "Similar Behavior" differences of opinion, but I didn't read where Donna "lumped" you in with anyone by posting People confuse me...they complain...and some people.....
Like I said, some people are more rational than others.
I think fining Barnes is perfect. He doesn't make a whole lot of jack, so hit him where it hurts. The PGA tour, however, needs to come up with a better way to punish Tiger for similar behavior. He'd hardly notice a $5million fine
That's like fining the guy driving the Mercedes more than the guy driving the junker for a the same speeding ticket. Since when do we punish people based on the size of their wallet? Equal punishment for equal offenses.
As has already been mentioned, there is no reason to levy bigger fines on someone for winning more. What, are they supposed to prorate every fine to fit the player's winnings at the moment? Any suggestion to the contrary of equal fines for equal actions is completely absurd. I'm sure the PGA Tour's player policy board would agree too.
Also, with the money Tiger is bringing in to the tour, do you really think they're going to hit him in a way above and beyond what the others get? Why would they risk the #1 draw in the game leaving and going elsewhere over actions not much worse than your typical pro but simply televised more?
"Similar behavior? Want to show me a tourney in which TW was close to the lead and upon falling back, deliberately missed putts and carried on for the entire round like that? Sure, I know Tiger's mouth gets away from him sometimes and he occasionally slams a club, but he does not behave like an irrational child for an entire round. He vents and moves on - like most of us."
Wake up, Donna. Did you watch the end of the T.W.C. Sunday. They played a video of Tiger "highlights" which included slamming and throwing clubs and walking off a tee box taking a full swing at a bush with an iron. And we all know he curses constantly on the course as well.
"And he gets fined just like everyone else. People confuse me.....they complain about him received unequal treatment (tv time, WGR point system, high appearance fees) and then complain again when he is treated equally"
Do not, I repeat DO NOT, try to lump me in a group with anybody! I don't complain about unequal treatment, I don't complain about TV time, I don't complain about the WGR point system and I don't complain about high appearance fees. Also, Ms Rationality, I am not a Tiger hater. I have no clue where you drew that brilliant conclusion. All I said is that I don't think a small fine would deter someone like Tiger, or ANYONE WHO MAKES THAT KIND OF $, as much as it would a lower tier player. That's life. I'm not complaining about anything. GET IT???
Ok, buddy, I'm awake now!!! Actually, saw the highlights which included behavior spanning an 8 yr career, not all in one tourney....you already knew that right? So, my point is still valid, I believe, since there is no one time you can show that he carried on like that for an entire round?
Whoops, did you take that personally? Is your name "people"? Or did the shoe just fit? BTW, if you intended to be insulting with the "Ms Rationality" label.....sorry, I find it rather flattering and your ire rather amusing. Methinks thou dost protest too much! Get it???
"Ok, buddy, I'm awake now!!! Actually, saw the highlights which included behavior spanning an 8 yr career, not all in one tourney....you already knew that right? So, my point is still valid, I believe, since there is no one time you can show that he carried on like that for an entire round?"
Tiger has thrown and slammed clubs and cursed several times in one round before. I've seen it, and I'm sure others have as well. The only other thing Barnes did that Tiger hasn't was the 4 putt, which is making you say he "carried on" all round. Only Mr Barnes knows if he missed them on purpose or not. His head was obviously not in the round, which definitely could have played a factor in the 4 putt.
To everyone who claims I said Tiger needs to be fined more: I did not say that. I said an equal fine would not equally deter Tiger, or anyone making that kind of money, as compared to lower tier players. How is that not true?
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To everyone who claims I said Tiger needs to be fined more: I did not say that. I said an equal fine would not equally deter Tiger, or anyone making that kind of money, as compared to lower tier players. How is that not rue?
LOL - anyone who is a Tiger fan and knows much about him knows that he is notoriously tight with a buck. So I would speculate that every fine hurts him. However, even if he threw money around like water, you really don't believe that fines should be based on how much each player is worth, do you? As a deterrent? If a multimillionaire from the, oh let's say, dot-com boom became a golf pro he should have larger fines than say a rookie from the Nationwide tour? If not, I'm sorry, I don't understand the point of the discussion.
"Ok, buddy, I'm awake now!!! Actually, saw the highlights which included behavior spanning an 8 yr career, not all in one tourney.... "
Wouldn't you expect that behavior that spanned an 8 year career should be improving rather than getting worse? Many of the highlights (club slamming, bush wacking, etc.) are highlights from this year's tournaments. I would think that at 28 (nearly 29) and having been a member of the PGA for as long as he has, Tiger would have learned some control by now. After all, it is supposed to be a "gentleman's game" isn't it.
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I would think that at 28 (nearly 29) and having been a member of the PGA for as long as he has, Tiger would have learned some control by now. After all, it is supposed to be a "gentleman's game" isn't it.
You are absolutely correct and I am not defending Tiger's behavior, believe me! I do wonder, though, how many other players could have an similar highlight reel if anyone cared to pull one together.
As to much of it being from this year, since he obviously reacts this way when frustrated with his game, not surprising - been a very tough year for him. Not an excuse - just an observation.
"you really don't believe that fines should be based on how much each player is worth, do you? As a deterrent? If a multimillionaire from the, oh let's say, dot-com boom became a golf pro he should have larger fines than say a rookie from the Nationwide tour? If not, I'm sorry, I don't understand the point of the discussion."
No, Donna, I didn't say that. What I said was that .com guy and nationwide guy don't feel like playing with Donna in the pro-am. The fine for missing a pro-am is $2,000. That is nationwide guy's travel expense $ for the week. .com guy blows his nose with $2,000. Therefore a $2,000 fine does not deter .com guy from missing a pro-am nearly as effectively as it deters nationwide guy.
December 14th, 2004, 01:20 PM
I can understand your "Similar Behavior" differences of opinion, but I didn't read where Donna "lumped" you in with anyone by posting People confuse me...they complain...and some people.....
Since when do we punish people based on the size of their wallet? Equal punishment for equal offenses. 
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