I agree with you on everything except about Phil being the most popular in the USA. I think there is a lot of fans that like Tiger over Phil.
I was to pulling for Phil to win a major but that is only when Tiger isn't in the running and the fact that Phil didnt have a major to his name at the time.
They are both completely different people and it shows with the fans.
Cole, I don't know man. I am the biggest Tiger fan there is, but I seriously was more happy for Phil when he got his major. I think it was b/c he had to deal with so much heartbreak in the past. I just don't get why Sirak thinks b/c Tiger is supposedly arrogant (I personally don't think he's arrogant), that fans are somehow less interested in him. Muhammed Ali is probably the most cocky person to ever play sports, and yet people loved him BECAUSE of his arrogance. I just don't think Sirak's logic works very well.
14and18, why would you want Tiger to go back to Harmon?
My reason was selfish, because I simply equated Tiger working with Butch to Tiger's amazing run. All of us have heard the story of Tiger calling Butch on his cell phone while on the range, and saying, "I've got it." He was working on a certain swing key, and once he found it, he won 7 out of 11 majors. So, the reason for my selfishness was that we are truly seeing something special. I consider myself lucky to have seen the careers of Jordan, Gretzky, Bird, Magic, etc. And to me, Tiger is destined to be the best athlete ever.
After reading the article which outlines exactly what Tiger is currently working on with Hank Haney, and why he switched, it makes sense to me. I am not an expert on the golf swing, so I thought what Tiger had with Butch was not worth toying with.
It looks like Tiger is back on track, based on his perfomance so far this year. I guess we will truly know once the majors are played.
And to me, Tiger is destined to be the best athlete ever.
Wow , that's a pretty bold statement. I'm certainly not one of those "golfer aren't athletes" folks, but that's quite a stretch. He may be destined to be the greatest golfer ever(if you believe in that sort of thing.... I don't), but I doubt you'd even find many golfers who'd consider the greatest golfer the greatest athlete, unless they also excelled in some other sport. I'll go with the Babe... Didrikson, that is and there are dozens of male athletes I'd put ahead of the greatest golfer as well.
14and18, I'd say that your logic was not bad at all. But part of what caused Tiger's knee problem a few years ago was the swing Butch constructed for him. That swing was one of the most brutal in terms of the pressure it puts on the body. Tiger made the decision to do something that will make him a straighter hitter as well as give him more longevity health-wise for his career.
14and18, I'd say that your logic was not bad at all. But part of what caused Tiger's knee problem a few years ago was the swing Butch constructed for him. That swing was one of the most brutal in terms of the pressure it puts on the body. Tiger made the decision to do something that will make him a straighter hitter as well as give him more longevity health-wise for his career.
it wasnt butch's swing that caused the knee problems, TTU.
i don't care how you swing, your knees can only have so much pressure on them. i mean, did butch make tiger put on a 30 pound weight jacket? because that is the only thing that could possibly cause knee trouble.
Tiger said a lot of it had to do with childhood injuries, cuts, bumps, bruises while playing as a normal kid growing up.
Waz, I know it is a bold statement. I actually made that statement to a small group of people while making a speech in 1994, after Tiger defeated Trip Kuehne in the US Amateur finals at TPC at Sawgrass. It was the first time I saw him play, and I had heard about all his tee to green power, but in that championship, he showed that he can putt, and showed an incredible amount of focus, esepecially for such a young man. I still stand by what I said.
trance, Tiger has a very unique swing for someone his size. He creates speed through quick hip release. All that torque transfers to your left knee. It's Tiger's swing, but Butch helped create it. And Butch insisted that it's the perfect swing for golf. It's NOT. A perfect swing is Ernie Els' swing, which doesn't put pressure on his knee at all and he still slaughters the ball.
LOL yeah. Paige is basically the whipping boy on Around The Horn, but on Cold Pizza even HE is better than Bayless.
Exactly, and none of the guys on Around the Horn can compete with PTI. I actually know Tony Reali's little brother, I went to high school with him.
Quick, funny story. I read on a message board that Max Kellerman was getting kicked from ESPN (in 2002? when they got rid of Friday Night Fights), and that Reali was going to be the next host of ATH. I told his brother, and he said to me , "I think my brother would know, because he is good friends with Max". A week later he was hosting the show...
wazman, I agree to a certain extent with what you said about the "B game." However, I think Tiger has been nowhere NEAR his A game the last several years. And I'm not saying his A game is the level of 2000 US Open. I think that was an abberation for him. You could call it his A++++++++ game. I think when Tiger gets back to at least hitting 60% of his fairways, then you could consider it his A game. Vijay always has his A game in my opinion. The only thing that ever lets him down is the putter. Phil had his A game this week, but his putting let him down.
When I refer to a letter grade, I'm talking about ball striking, driving, etc. Phil was hitting it a lot closer than Woods all week, but he missed some crucial short putts. I think Woods isn't hitting anywhere near the amount of greens in regulation that he would like to. And I'm not comparing this with 2000. I'm comparing this with 2002 when his driving was already down the drain. He was still hitting over 70% of his greens. When he does that, along with 55-60% driving accuracy (not the 70% or whatever it was in 2000 at the US and British Opens), he will have reached his "A" game in terms of ball striking. Now putting, I think Tiger usually putts pretty well. I think the only terrible putting performance I've seen of him was the Mercedes Championships this year. How many times do you see him stiff it to 5 feet on every hole just about and miss almost every one of them? Vijay was doing that this week at the Ford Championship. That doesn't take away from the fact (in my mind at least) that Vijay almost ALWAYS has his A game turned on from Tee-to-Green.
I thought Tiger was a lot better at course management than he showed on the 16th hole of the final round. I was surprised he didn't hit a fairay wood or long iron and try to be in the fairway after Mickelson hit his shot in the fairway bunker. I know he drove the green on Sat., but the tee was 15 yards farthewr back and they were playing into a slight breeze. If Tiger has a weakness, it is sometimes he tries to force the issue when he doesn't need to. Mickelson's 5-footer may not have meant anything if Tiger did not try to drive the green.
March 7th, 2005, 07:43 PM
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